Cursive Italic 0.7 Mm Or 0.9 Mm?

[Ouroboros]

I'm looking to get a cursive nib from Richard Binder - who is probably sick of having to answer all my questions - and I've narrowed it to either a 0.7 or 0.9 cursive italic. Based on the size of my miniscules the 0.7 should be best for me, but I want to see the line variation so I'm stil wondering about the 0.9.

 

If anyone has either (or even better) both of this nibs, could they provide any feedback or even a writing sample for comparison?

 

Thanks in advance.

[JefferyS]

0.9 mm left oblique italic cursive from Binder is my default favorite nib size. I find the left oblique 15^o angle to be much easier to handle than a non-oblique. Anything less than 0.9 mm stops looking very italic. I can't make tiny notes with it, but it is exactly right for my comments on student papers.

[bridgettt]

I have a Binder .7 and a .9 nib. For me, I much prefer the .9 and I generally use F and EF nibs.

[yachtsilverswan]

For daily office work, I use a Binder 0.9 mm Cursive Italic.

 

For a social carry - in the evenings and on weekends, I prefer a Binder 1.1 mm Cursive Italic

 

It all depends on the size of your handwriting, on whether you are constrained by forms with tight line spacing, and whether you like a bold look to your handwriting.

 

Of course a 0.9 mm Cursive Italic could be easily reground down to a 0.7 mm Cursive Italic. But taking a 0.7 mm Cursive Italic up to a 0.9 mm requires re-tipping.

 

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[Ouroboros]

I have a Binder .7 and a .9 nib. For me, I much prefer the .9 and I generally use F and EF nibs.

 

That's good to hear, Japanese F and European EF so that reassures me my gut to go with the 0.9.

 

Now I have to figure oblique or not I guess. Oh my. Opinions on oblique vs straight?

[MVice78]

Which nibs are used to make the 0.7 and 0.9 italics? A cursive and oblique italic are on my wish list. I just never started bugging anyone about them yet

[Moose]

0.7 Binder CI for my Vanishing Point

 

That's the link for a post about my 0.7 CI from Richard Binder (for my Vanishing Point). For reference, the paper is college ruled (Double Docket Gold) and the ink is Pendemonium's Legal Lapis. I love my nib, couldn't be happier with it. Sorry I don't have a 0.9, so I can't compare.

 

Hope this helps in your decision!

[Russ]

I have a 0.7 mm, and it's fine for small writing. My tastes have changed, and I now prefer something on the order of 0.9 mm.

[Ouroboros]

Thanks for the writing sample with the 0.7 - how does it compare to the Lamy 1.1 in regards to width? I understand the numbers don't necessarily line up.

 

Does anyone have a cursive sample of the 0.7 or 0.9? I'm still thinking the .9 is the one to go with.

Edited July 21, 2011 by Ouroboros

[Kaych]

Thanks for the writing sample with the 0.7 - does anyone have a cursive sample of the 0.7 or 0.9? I'm still thinking the .9 is the one to go with.

 

+1. It's the loops that get illegible with the wider pens.

[JefferyS]

I have a Binder .7 and a .9 nib. For me, I much prefer the .9 and I generally use F and EF nibs.

Now I have to figure oblique or not I guess. Oh my. Opinions on oblique vs straight?

I was curious about how writing with the oblique might be, but it is a much more natural feeling for me. I just means that my pen is rotated slightly to the left, lined up so the top of the nib is facing my head instead of facing directly upward. Now, writing with a regular cursive italic is like driving a car with the steering wheel in the center of the front seat instead of in front of the driver.

 

 

 

 

[ehemem]

I have a 0.7mm L oblique 15" VP cursive italic nib from Richard and it is a very nice, smooth writer, but, at least for me, it is on the upper limit of my italic cursive style. And it uses a lot of ink. I think I would do better with a 0.5 italic or maybe even smaller. And maybe skip the obliquelitud, too. As far as pointed nibs go, I almost always choose a Japanese F or an EF. And I tend to accommodate my writing size to whatever pen I'm using.

[OcalaFlGuy]

I think it's important to decide whether you'll be using it mostly with lined paper or not.

 

I normally prefer M nibs. My preferred ground nibs are .6 mm, .7 on lined paper starts to be too wide for me.

 

With a good grinder, you can still get great line variation at that size. Also keep in mine that the cheaper the paper (IMO) the less is shows a nibs line variation. If you really want to show off your variation, use good paper.

 

Bruce in Ocala, FL-friends don't let friends write on crappy paper

[mirosc]

If in doubt, why not get a .8 italic made? (I guess he'll make these on special order)

Online sells some .8 italics and it's just a nice in between. I use several italics from .8 to 1.1, 1.4, 1.8 and 2.4 plus several dip nibs and the size of my writing is always changing according to the need of the nib.

[toomanypelikans]

I just happen to have a few Binder grind nibs in rotation. Written on Rhodia dot pad

Top to Bottom

 

Lamy Factory 1.1mm italic

Binder M250 1.1mm Music Stub

Binder M250 0.7mm Cursive Italic

Binder Bexley 18K 0.9mm Cursive Italic

 

Hope this helps

 

 

[Ouroboros]

If in doubt, why not get a .8 italic made? (I guess he'll make these on special order)

Online sells some .8 italics and it's just a nice in between. I use several italics from .8 to 1.1, 1.4, 1.8 and 2.4 plus several dip nibs and the size of my writing is always changing according to the need of the nib.

 

Right now I'm limited to the .7 or .9 because of availability issues. I write mostly lined Clairefontaine with 8 mm spacing. I write on the small side (minuscules around 3 mm) preferring F or EF nibs. The challenge is finding the nib that give good line variation, but isn't overwhelming. I'm still completely unsure which to go with.

 

As I wrote this, justdaveyb posted those great writing samples. I'll print them at the office this morning and have a look. I think that will be very helpful. I just got a Rhodia dot pad, and I have a Lamy 1.1 so that should act as the Rosetta Stone I need to piece this together.

Edited July 21, 2011 by Ouroboros

[mstone]

Thanks for the writing sample with the 0.7 - how does it compare to the Lamy 1.1 in regards to width? I understand the numbers don't necessarily line up.

 

My lamy 1.1 is just about identical to my binder .7, but there tends to be a lot of variation in the lamy nibs.

[Ouroboros]

Thanks for the writing sample with the 0.7 - how does it compare to the Lamy 1.1 in regards to width? I understand the numbers don't necessarily line up.

 

My lamy 1.1 is just about identical to my binder .7, but there tends to be a lot of variation in the lamy nibs.

 

Well that makes things harder as I had hoped by 1.1 Lamy was closer to the 0.9 Binder. So hard to make these decisions entirely by what I can see on the web, although the help is greatly appreciated. I've got a few more hours to make my mind up so I can ensure my order gets shipped out this Saturday.

Edited July 21, 2011 by Ouroboros

[51ISH]

I'm looking to get a cursive nib from Richard Binder - who is probably sick of having to answer all my questions

 

 

I sure he too is keen for you to get the pen that is right for you.....

 

I know this might be a daft question.....have you thought about sending him a scan of your handwriting and asking him which he would advise?

[Ouroboros]

Well the trigger has been pulled. I've ordered a black Pelikan 205 with a 0.9 cursive italic nib. It will ship out on Saturday and with any luck I'll have it in 2 - 3 weeks. Thanks for all the help and advise.