Sailor Tokiwa-Matsu 2010

[Algester]

For those who have the new stuff, how does it compare to the now discontinued Epinard? I had considered trying that one and didn't get around to it. Also, anyone know how the color compares to Herbin Vert Empire (which I *do* have a bottle of)?

Thanks.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

the ink sheens to a rustic red same with epinard with some ever so slightly minute differences (they are best nearly indifferent to the undiscerning eyes), Vert Empire after trying it out its a good deep green but doesnt have that sheen

also this ink can be used on a flex dip nib mounted on an ebonite feed best case scenario Noodler's Ahab and or vintage flex

[lapis]

And/or our Salamander?

[elevennx]

the ink sheens to a rustic red same with epinard with some ever so slightly minute differences (they are best nearly indifferent to the undiscerning eyes)

Is the Tokiwa not a little lighter than Epinard then? I've been trying to compare what I see in reviews, and that was the impression I got. But maybe the difference isn't really noticeable in person. Would nib size make a difference in showing any distinction between the two?

[Algester]

Is the Tokiwa not a little lighter than Epinard then? I've been trying to compare what I see in reviews, and that was the impression I got. But maybe the difference isn't really noticeable in person. Would nib size make a difference in showing any distinction between the two?

probably the nib will display any distinction I used the ink when flex writing

[saskia_madding]

I will post my comparison on the first sunny day we have here. It is going to rain tomorrow, but thursday should be good.

[DanF]

I will post my comparison on the first sunny day we have here. It is going to rain tomorrow, but thursday should be good.

How about at least a verbal confirmation in the meantime: same as your early bottle, or not same? Thanks.

 

Dan

[DanF]

Bump!

 

Dan

[gmax]

Bumpity bump - I'd love to see this comparison

[saskia_madding]

Sorry guys! We haven't had a day that's suitable for pictures at a time when I was near my camera. I hope tomorrow will prove a good time.

 

As a tidbit - Epinard is darker than Tokiwa-matsu of either year, and shockingly, 2014 Tokiwa-matsu is actually a wetter ink than the 2010. You'll see what I mean when I post the pictures, hopefully tomorrow.

[alarickc]

I did a comparison with a dip pen yesterday and in addition to being darker, Tokiwa-Matsu was also slightly more yellow and had slightly less red undertones(not the red sheen, they both have that).

[saskia_madding]

I am super annoyed because I took a ton of pictures today for reviews, but it was too dark inside and too bright outside, so everything looked either super washed out or super greyed out. UGH.

 

These ones came out pretty well though.

 

2014 up top, 2010 in the middle, and Epinard at the bottom.

 

 

Note that when writing text, 2014 and 2010 look quite similar, but because 2014 is wetter, in instances where the ink is pooling, it starts to look much darker, more like Epinard. So bizarre!

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09962_zps2a73d37f.jpg?t=1404503838

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09964_zps724ac4ba.jpg?t=1404503841

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09967_zpsc4181cef.jpg?t=1404503901

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09965_zps4f909539.jpg?t=1404503906

 

 

 

More pictures here.

[elevennx]

I am super annoyed because I took a ton of pictures today for reviews, but it was too dark inside and too bright outside, so everything looked either super washed out or super greyed out. UGH.

 

These ones came out pretty well though.

 

2014 up top, 2010 in the middle, and Epinard at the bottom.

 

 

Note that when writing text, 2014 and 2010 look quite similar, but because 2014 is wetter, in instances where the ink is pooling, it starts to look much darker, more like Epinard. So bizarre!

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09962_zps2a73d37f.jpg?t=1404503838

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09964_zps724ac4ba.jpg?t=1404503841

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09967_zpsc4181cef.jpg?t=1404503901

 

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af97/Saskia_Madding/FPN%20comparison%20shots/DSC09965_zps4f909539.jpg?t=1404503906

 

 

 

More pictures here.

Woohoo! Been looking forward to this. Thanks so much for posting. It sounds like the current formulation is capable of being both light and dark, which is kind of cool.

[mm1624124]

Glad I decided to stock up on epinard. Tokiwa-matsu is lovely but doesn't look like a reasonable facsimile of Epinard. I have both and will probably hoard Tokiwa-matsu as well but for what it is not for replacement. Am I wrong in thinking that greens are particularly complex?

 

As always, I am most appreciative for those on FPN that make these supreme efforts in making these comparisons and reviews.