Odd 17?

[Aislingean]

Hi all!

did anyone see this whilst we were down?

It looks like a 17 body and cap but what is the nib and section?

Cheers

Dave

 

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g297/Aislingean/Parkerodd17.jpg

[adamon]

It is Parker 17 Duofold introduced in 1962. 1st model of 17 Duofolds with beak-shaped nib. It was also 17 Super Duofold with broad ring on the cap and jewel on the bottom of barrel. Both were produced in 4 typical Parker colours: black, red, green (teal) and blue (dark). And both were replaced in 1964 with Model 17 and Super 17 with hooded nibs. Relatively rare to find. Nice pen.

Edited May 31, 2011 by adamon

[richardandtracy]

These seem to go for a bit more than the regular P17. I haven't got one myself yet, despite bidding on quite a number.

 

Regards,

 

Richard.

[adamon]

From left side: P17 Super Duofold blue, P17 Duofold green, P17 Super red, Model 17 black, P17 Lady green, P17 Super pencil red, P17 pencil blue, P17 Super ballpen green, P17 ballpen blue, P17 Classic (with metal cap) black

 

Only pens without caps: P17 Super Duofold and P17 Duofold with beak shaped nibs, other pens with hooded nibs. Classic with plastic trim.

[richardandtracy]

Adamon,

 

That is a lovely range you have there.

 

I see in the uncapped photo you have a black plastic clutch ring pen (extreme right) with a very rounded hood tip shape. Do you have any others with plastic clutch rings? The reason I ask is that I have a blue one that's a dead ringer for a P61 hood shape, however the one you show is more like the P17 Super. Can I ask if the pen is UK made & if you have any idea of dates? I'm trying to get a handle on the hood shape dates, I'm speculating the P61 style hood shape was a 1970's shape after the first set of tooling wore out - and I'm guessing the plastic clutch ring was a later item too.

 

Do you have any with a P51 style converging lines cap but with clutch fingers inside the cap? I have one, made in Denmark, but I want to be sure the cap is original rather than a mix & match. I have had to make a new jewel, to replace the original, but otherwise everything is nice.

 

Otherwise your metal capped P17 is just like my other metal capped one, making a grand total of 2 that I've seen with that style cap, and yours is in infinitely better condition.

 

Regards,

 

Richard.

[adamon]

Richardandtracy,

The original name of pen with metal cap, I've called Classic (as P45), is P17 DeLuxe. There were 2 models of DeLuxe - CT (with chromed cap and steel nib) and GT (with golded cap and gold nib). Both were introduced in 1968. Both had the plastic ring (when earlier models had metal ring). I believe that whole P17 line was produced in UK.

I have two of CT pens: black and green. Both have "Made in England" imprint.

The P17 line was discontinued in 1972.

 

PS Later I will make and add some photos.

Edited May 31, 2011 by adamon

[richardandtracy]

Adamon,

 

I definitely have a Denmark made P17. None of the bits quite fit properly with the UK made ones, and a UK made nib drops out because the metal is a different thickness (the Denmark pen had a fine nib & I wanted a medium in it, so I tried a UK nib from a dead P17).

 

I also understand they did a gold plated version of the P17 Lady. They are fairly uncommon, so far I've only seen 2 on E-Bay, one at a ridiculous £100+ and the other at a much more reasonable price ( can't remember the price) - but as it was more than a P61 Insignia, I didn't get it.

 

Regards,

 

Richard.

[adamon]

Richard,

As promised photos of my Parker 17s DeLuxe:

Black and green:

 

Imprint on the barrel

 

And inside the pen

 

Plastic trim

 

The P51 style hoods.

From left: English Duofold Lady red (1958); P17 Lady red (1964); P17 Lady Standard red and black (1968); P17 Lady Insignia (1967); P17 (Model 17) black and red (1964); P17 Super red (1964); P17 DeLuxe black and green (1968).

[richardandtracy]

What a lovely collection you have.

 

Regards,

 

Richard.

[Aislingean]

Thanks !

I have now learned a little about my old [never lamented!] school pen.

I had not appreciated the wide range of 17 models.

I hated that little green ink spewing monster and eventually swapped it for a large, chunky, broad gold nibbed capillary fill Platignum that looked good next to the Burnhams and Conways sported by my less trendy mates!

How values and perceptions can change over half a century!

Cheers

Dave

[richardandtracy]

I went from age 8 to 12 with a burgundy P17 Lady fountain pen as my school pen. I loved it, but it wasn't brat proof & I eventually killed it when I trod on the pen.

 

My next pen was a Burgundy P61 & I really didn't realise how special it was, just thought other pens were horrible in comparison.

 

Regards,

 

Richard.

 

 

 

[baz666]

The original name of pen with metal cap, I've called Classic (as P45), is P17 DeLuxe. There were 2 models of DeLuxe - CT (with chromed cap and steel nib) and GT (with golded cap and gold nib). Both were introduced in 1968. Both had the plastic ring (when earlier models had metal ring). I believe that whole P17 line was produced in UK.

I have two of CT pens: black and green. Both have "Made in England" imprint.

The P17 line was discontinued in 1972.

 

PS Later I will make and add some photos.

 

Hi adamon, nice collection.

 

Here are some pics of a P17 De Luxe GT I recently won on the bay.

These were also made in England.

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.barrell/pics/gf1.JPG

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.barrell/pics/gf2.JPG

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.barrell/pics/gf3.JPG

 

Regards

Paul.

[pajaro]

The original name of pen with metal cap, I've called Classic (as P45), is P17 DeLuxe. There were 2 models of DeLuxe - CT (with chromed cap and steel nib) and GT (with golded cap and gold nib). Both were introduced in 1968. Both had the plastic ring (when earlier models had metal ring). I believe that whole P17 line was produced in UK.

I have two of CT pens: black and green. Both have "Made in England" imprint.

The P17 line was discontinued in 1972.

 

PS Later I will make and add some photos.

 

Hi adamon, nice collection.

 

Here are some pics of a P17 De Luxe GT I recently won on the bay.

These were also made in England.

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.barrell/pics/gf1.JPG

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.barrell/pics/gf2.JPG

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.barrell/pics/gf3.JPG

 

Regards

Paul.

I have one in red like this except that it has a chromed cap, red jewel and gold-colored clip. I have been wondering what it is for years. It has a gold nib and is a decent writing pen. Thanks for showing all this, all of you.

[adamon]

Here 3 kinds of P17 DeLuxe (standard size): green with chromed cap and clip (black, plastic cap ring), red with chromed cap and golded clip (steel cap ring), black with golded cap

[ceejaybee]

I had some P17 barrels, not full pens, a while back that were made in France - I just realised that I still have a photo of the imprint on them, I had grey, green and black

 

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/ceejaybee_photo/p17barrel.jpg