Indelible Ink?

[UltraMagnus]

Does anyone other than noodlers make indelible inks suitable for fountain pen use?

 

I ask because noodlers is currently quite difficult to obtain in the UK.

[Joe in Seattle]

Private Reserve Invincible Black.

[alsha11]

I've been using Diamine Registrars, and Mont Blanc Blue Black both of which are iron gall inks in a Pelikan M800 for about a year.

However, I do write with it almost daily, and I rinse it out well with water between fills.

 

IMHO the iron gall inks I've used have been very well behaved and are water proof. I think Diamine Registrar's ink would easily be available in the U.K.

 

Many online sellers in the U.S would be willing to ship Noodlers ink internationally. I think goulet pens does it. No affiliation ...

[sjs]

Pigmented inks should suit your purpose.

 

The ones I know are Japanese: Sailor nano black, Sailor sei-boku blue black, and several colours of Platinum pigmented ink are available.

[Possum Hill]

Try Diamine Registrar's Ink. It's not flashy, but it really looks like ink should look, in my opinion.

[lapis]

I like Registrar's too, and I find it a great colour in regard to matching with its name. Well behaved, easy to wash and rinse...

... but ... I find it writes too dry.

 

Mike

[Sandy1]

Hi,

 

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'indelible', so kindly describe the properties of the ink in more detail.

 

In addition to the suggestions included in prior posts above, one might also consider:

• DeAtramentis 'Document Ink'. Likely available in the UK / EU, but here's a stateside link:
  • http://www.artbrown.com/De-Atramentis-Document-Ink-P26753C1688.aspx
    

• Pilot Blue, Pilot Blue-Black and Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black. Those three are highly water resistant.
  
  • The Pelikan BB was included in a wet test with an i-g ink and a Noodler's b-p ink here: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/169954-wet-tests-pelikan-blueblack-legal-lapis-m-b-midnight-blue/page__pid__1701290#entry1701290

Bye,

S1

[Possum Hill]

I like Registrar's too, and I find it a great colour in regard to matching with its name. Well behaved, easy to wash and rinse...

... but ... I find it writes too dry.

 

Mike

I do find it's about the driest writing ink I use.

[UltraMagnus]

Thanks, I have tried montblanc blue black and find it a nice ink, but was looking for a little more variety in colour. I guess I should have been a little more specific.

 

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'indelible', so kindly describe the properties of the ink in more detail.

 

I guess waterproof, or whatever noodlers call "bulletproof". I just assumed the was some standard meaning of indelible.

 

Many online sellers in the U.S would be willing to ship Noodlers ink internationally. I think goulet pens does it. No affiliation ...

 

Unfortunately the £6 shipping + 20% VAT + £8 "handling" fee from royal mail make it rather cost prohibitive.

 

Once again, thank you for your suggestions, and I welcome more.

Edited March 11, 2011 by UltraMagnus

[SignalboxCat]

I've tried:

 

Sailor kiwa-guro (rich deep black)

Sailor Sei-boku (really nice blue-black, nice shading)

Diamine Registrar's (interesting grey-blue-black, lots of shading, dry)

Montblanc Midnight Blue (deep blue-black, little shading,much less dry that Diamine Registrar's)

Lamy blue-black (bottled)

R&K Salix (blue with a bit of greyish- much lighter and bluer than others, nice shading)

R&K Scabiosa (dusky purple- really interesting colour, nice shading)

PR Invincible Black (very black, very wet, feathers too much to be of use)

 

Also depends on what you mean by "indelible"- these are all waterproof, but iron-gall based ones not bleach-resistant (tho I think the Sailor and PR inks are).

 

That's lots of versions of blue including some nice shading inks, plus a couple of blacks and a purple; but for any other (properly indelible) colours for FPN use I cannot think of anything other than Noodlers.

 

:meow:

Edited March 12, 2011 by SignalboxCat

[alvinlum]

ive used

diamine registrar-nice shading on some of my pen but pretty dry from time to time. Might not start immediately after 2-4min uncap while writing

montblanc midnight blue - it come out as dark blue or gray black from my parker 51 fine nib and not as dry as registrar.

got a bottle of lamy blue black and but havent started using it cuz i loved my diamine registrar soo much ;D

[fiberdrunk]

Does anyone other than noodlers make indelible inks suitable for fountain pen use?

 

I ask because noodlers is currently quite difficult to obtain in the UK.

 

I love Magic Color, and it's made in England. I've used this ink for many years in Rotring ArtPens and Platinum Preppys without a problem.

 

eta: for link

Edited March 12, 2011 by fiberdrunk

[WendyNC]

 

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'indelible', so kindly describe the properties of the ink in more detail.

 

I guess waterproof, or whatever noodlers call "bulletproof". I just assumed the was some standard meaning of indelible.

 

 

There's a valid reason for Sandy1's question. The bulletproof inks are intended to be tamper-evident in addition to being resistant to water, bleach, ammonia, various other chemicals of which I'm not fully aware, and alteration by laser. Needing resistance to laser alteration is a different standard from "enough remains on the page to be fully legible if I tip over a glass of water on it," which is the level which most of us need and the one I'm guessing that you're after.

 

My personal non-Noodler's favorite in that category is Lamy Blue-Black, but that's a matter of individual preference and what I've tried.

[bwnewton]

 

My personal non-Noodler's favorite in that category is Lamy Blue-Black, but that's a matter of individual preference and what I've tried.

 

+1. I've used both Lamy Blue-Black and Diamine Registrar's and I prefer Lamy Blue-Black. The two are similar and behave equally well on paper but I prefer the color, price and bottle of Lamy BB. I use Lamy BB daily with great satisfaction.

Edited March 13, 2011 by bwnewton

[kwinana]

Does anyone other than noodlers make indelible inks suitable for fountain pen use?

 

I ask because noodlers is currently quite difficult to obtain in the UK.

Hi. I will be conducting some tests on Noodler's inks relating to water resistance and lightfastness. These tests should allow you to note which colours survive water and sunlight over time. This is more than what is demanded of an ink in everyday use but should give a good idea which inks would survive spills and exposure to light. That's what most of us need isn't it?

 

By the way I will, at a later date, conduct tests on some other brands more easily available in the UK.

 

Kwinana

 

www.penspaperandink.blogspot.com

Edited March 13, 2011 by kwinana

[UltraMagnus]

 

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'indelible', so kindly describe the properties of the ink in more detail.

 

I guess waterproof, or whatever noodlers call "bulletproof". I just assumed the was some standard meaning of indelible.

 

 

There's a valid reason for Sandy1's question. The bulletproof inks are intended to be tamper-evident in addition to being resistant to water, bleach, ammonia, various other chemicals of which I'm not fully aware, and alteration by laser. Needing resistance to laser alteration is a different standard from "enough remains on the page to be fully legible if I tip over a glass of water on it," which is the level which most of us need and the one I'm guessing that you're after.

 

My personal non-Noodler's favorite in that category is Lamy Blue-Black, but that's a matter of individual preference and what I've tried.

 

I see, thank you, in that case I really only need it to be water proof, preferably soda proof .

[AlecG]

There aren't that many waterproof inks beside noodlers. They are quite big in this niche and quite frankly I wouldn't be looking for another ink if the noodlers wheren't so hard to get at this time. So I ordered 3 bottles of kiwaguro ink and will go with that for sometime. I wanted a black Ink that would not easily fade over time and be waterproof but also well behaving in my sailor 1911 realo, naginata togi and cross concord. Noodlers black ticked all the boxes but I'm not going to pay €25 for shipping, handling, importing, custom taxes, vat and $12 for the bottle. That almost quadruples the price of a bottle, which is a bit too much for me. All in all I now paid for two bottles of sailor, what would have costed one noodlers. Even tough kiwaguro is considered expensive, So I guess that makes kiwaguro quite a deal. Never would have thought to say that about a £16 ink....

Edited March 14, 2011 by alecgold

[mstone]

For plain waterproof, take a look at namiki/pilot blue.

[UltraMagnus]

For plain waterproof, take a look at namiki/pilot blue.

 

That is very interesting, considering it doesn't even make any claims as to water resistance, I will have to try it.

Edited March 24, 2011 by UltraMagnus

[mstone]

For plain waterproof, take a look at namiki/pilot blue.

 

That is very interesting, considering it doesn't even make any claims as to water resistance, I will have to try it.

 

It's not going to resist determined attempts to get rid of it--but for basic accident prevention, it's surprisingly durable. If you want something that's maintenance-free (unlike bulletproofs, iron galls, or nano pigments) it's about as waterproof as you'll find. (In truth, though, I don't actually use it that much because I don't like the color and I don't mind high-maintenance. ) Note also that their black flees even a hint of moisture and their blue-black washes to blue (stands to reason, I suppose).