Pelikan 400nn Gunther Wagner Vs Merz And Krell

[1000km]

I understand that Pelikan resumed production of the 400NN in the 1970s, with production by Merz and Krell. Interested in any further information you can share about the 1970s pens.

 

And how do you know which you've got? Looking at the photos on Rick's site I can't see any difference at all:

 

'Regular' 1950s 400NN

http://www.thepenguinpen.com/pelikan/fspelikan/PE1022.html

 

M&K 400NN

http://www.thepenguinpen.com/pelikan/fspelikan/PE992.html

Edited November 9, 2010 by 1000km

[Sunburst]

M&K has no ridge at piston knob and barrel.

[1000km]

M&K has no ridge at piston knob and barrel.

 

Are you sure about this?

 

While that would seem apparent from those photos, 400NNs don't usually have such a pronounced 'ridge':

http://www.thepenguinpen.com/pelikan/fspelikan/grn400NN.html

Edited November 9, 2010 by 1000km

[Sunburst]

I'm looking at my 400NN and there is a distinct ridge (step) at the piston knob and barrel.

I do not have an access to camera at this moment but you may want to google for close-up image of 400NN.

I saw few photos that shows the ridge on E-bay listing.

Edited November 9, 2010 by Sunburst

[1000km]

My 400NN has only a very slight ridge, and this is the case with all of the 400NNs I've ever seen, most of which I know to be Wagner pens.

Edited November 9, 2010 by 1000km

[diplomat]

I think when you have one in hand you feel the difference. The MK has a smooth end. You can pass the finger all over the body without perceiving any ridge. With the Pelikan the finger will feel the ridge.

 

Ciao,

[Sunburst]

Piston knob and barrel is completely flush on M&K.

[Vargouille]

Also, I can see a slight difference in the cap ring in the first two sites. The 400NN has one that slightly tilts inwards, while the M&K has one that is slightly tilted outwards. Maybe I'm just crazy, but it looks to be that case, thoughts?

[Sagar_C]

I understand that Pelikan resumed production of the 400NN in the 1970s, with production by Merz and Krell. Interested in any further information you can share about the 1970s pens.

 

And how do you know which you've got? Looking at the photos on Rick's site I can't see any difference at all:

 

'Regular' 1950s 400NN

http://www.thepengui...kan/PE1022.html

 

M&K 400NN

http://www.thepengui...ikan/PE992.html

 

Is Merz and Krell less desirable than its counterpart? I think I just bought one M&K for €34; hope it is worth it.

[stez]

"Is Merz and Krell less desirable than its counterpart? I think I just bought one M&K for €34; hope it is worth it."

Judging from the Merz & Krell Pelikan 120 that I own, M&K are superior to Pelikan.....now if only they'd made the 120 with stainless steel fittings like an Estie, instead of gold plated......sigh.

[1000km]

Compared to the 1956-65 Gunther Wagner Pelikan 400NN, the 1970s Merz & Krell 400NN has:

• 
   
  
• A shorter barrel
  
• A slightly longer blind cap, which leads smoothly from the barrel
  
• A shorter cap thread
  
• A different style of nib, feed and collar
  
• The stripes in the ink window are more blue-green
   
  

M&K 400NN top, Gunther Wagner 400NN bottom

M&K 400NN top, Gunther Wagner 400NN bottom

M&K 400NN top, Gunther Wagner 400NN bottom

M&K 400NN nib left, Gunther Wagner 400NN nib right

[Tombstone]

A perfect comparison - but from my point of view you made a mistake in the caps:

 

Based on the first picture, the cap on the M&K belongs to the Wagner and vice versal.

 

You can see the difference also in the writing on the ring - the "400" comes in the more accurate way that the M&K's are known for... in fact I can also say it because I have a Wagner in front of me which is from 1961. Its family, because it was a present from my grandfather to my mother and my father with their names on it, and it has the cap with the clip you placed on the M&K...

[daenghafez]

Another comparison in tortoise form..

 

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m188/kewlfly/photo2-16.jpg

 

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m188/kewlfly/photo4-13.jpg

 

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m188/kewlfly/photo4-14.jpg

 

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m188/kewlfly/photo3-14.jpg

[1000km]

The caps are correctly labelled - they aren't interchangeable.

 

Love that M&K brown tortoise 400NN!

[Tombstone]

The caps are correctly labelled - they aren't interchangeable.

 

That's interesting - in that case I have a Wagner with an M&K-Cap...

[1000km]

The caps are correctly labelled - they aren't interchangeable.

 

That's interesting - in that case I have a Wagner with an M&K-Cap...

 

Like I say, the caps aren't interchangeable. The threads are quite different.

 

There are a wide variety of different imprints.

[TorPelikan]

I received a 400NN in black stripe today and found it to be M&K model.

 

The cap of M&K is triple threaded while G&W 400NN cap is quadruple threaded.

They are not at all interchangeable.

 

Also the filling knobs are different in shapes and in mechanisms.

I hope I can figure out.

 

 

Tor