Doric: Correct Nib?

[Daniele]

Hello!

Can you tell me what is the correct nib for this Doric?

 

 

 

[ihimlen]

This is the early (c. 1932 - 34) Popular Priced Doric/Diamond Band in Morocco Pearl (a slight step down from the flagship DRC but still a pretty expensive pen for its time). These pens usually had numbered Adjustable nibs (mine, in Jet Black, has a No. 5 Adjustable Point)and your pen is not an exception - the feed (at least judging by what I can make out from the pic) suggests that your nib was the Adjustable point too (it has a special shape to it to accommodate the adjusting slider). From what I gather, the correct nib for your pen/feed would be #5 or #6 then (I think it's probably #5 but I haven't got my pen to hand to compare).

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

i.

[Wahlnut]

The previous post correctly identifies the pen name and the color, however, relying on model names , it is indeed a "Popular Priced" Doric. Although to put this into "catalog speak" it is model #642108DC. (08 was Morocco Pearl). These pens were indeed made in the first generation Dorics ('31-34) period but also in the second Generation as shown in the 1935 catalog. In both cases the correct nib as shown there is a simple EVERSHARP nib with the word in a shallow arc across the nib. The pen could have been ordered with an adjustable nib I suppose or on some copies someone could have added a an adjustable nib, but the ones shown in the catalogs and newsletters all have the nib I have described here. Lucky for you as those nibs are plentiful (relatively speaking) today.

 

Syd

Edited September 30, 2010 by Wahlnut

[Daniele]

Many thanks for the info!!!

Always have the "Popular Priced" Doric the "Gold Seal" or we can find caps (on the first generation) without "Gold Seal"?

Last question: maybe someone has a pic of the correct "Eversharp" nib (or a link) and/or knows where i can buy it...

Best regards

Daniele

Edited September 30, 2010 by Daniele

[ihimlen]

In both cases the correct nib as shown there is a simple EVERSHARP nib with the word in a shallow arc across the nib. The pen could have been ordered with an adjustable nib I suppose or on some copies someone could have added a an adjustable nib, but the ones shown in the catalogs and newsletters all have the nib I have described here. Lucky for you as those nibs are plentiful (relatively speaking) today.

 

Syd

 

Syd,

 

You're right about the EVERSHARP arc nib and the fact that these pens were carried over to second generation - they also appear in the Shell patterns. I actually started writing about the Eversharp arc nibs, but I wasn't 100% sure about those so I thought I'd check the 1932 catalogue when I get home and indeed, these pens were fitted with a regular EVERSHARP nib and the Adjustable Point was an optional extra (and probably became available a few months later as the early pens very often have Personal Point nibs). Also, I noted that the early 1st gen flagship Dorics have larger Gold Seal emblem than the slightly later ones (I guess slightly later production?)

 

Daniele, the Popular Priced Dorics appeared both with and without the Gold Seal - I have the same (early) model in jet black and it never had a Gold Seal - I think back in 1932 you could either have a cheaper Popular-priced Doric pen with no lifetime warranty (and no Gold Seal) or pay a bit higher price to have the same model but with a Gold Seal (unless Eversharp had just scrapped Gold Seal for Popular Priced Dorics in the later years before the 2nd gen was introduced).

When it comes to nibs, I guess you could try to look for them online (check nibs.com - no affiliation, but they have a really good vintage nib stock), post a WTB post or simply send the pen to a good restorer for a nib replacement.

 

P.S. I could be wrong about your pen having an Adjustable Point (I can't see the feed very clearly) but there's an easy way to check that: if your feed is fixed directly in the section then a regular EVERSHARP arc nib will cut it. And if the feed/nib is in an inner hard rubber unit then it's a screw-in Adjustable Point (but having seen the catalogue I'd now lean towards the first option).

 

Regards

 

i.

Edited October 1, 2010 by ihimlen

[Wahlnut]

The top of all adjustable feeds is cut away dramatically on either side of the ink channel to allow for the bulk of the adjuster slide wings or tabs to have a path to travel in and still leave the slit of the nib up close in contact with the walls of the ink channel. As was alluded to as one of the ideas expressed above, The gold seal meaning lifetime guarantee, was dropped later on in the production as the lifetime guaranteed models fell away. If you need a nib, PM me.

Syd

[Daniele]

Hello!

I enclose some pics...

The nib on the Doric 2nd generation, standard size, has the correct imprint, i think, but it's too big for feed and section...

 

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/daniele_teppa/DSCN1182.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/daniele_teppa/DSCN1183.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/daniele_teppa/DSCN1184.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/daniele_teppa/DSCN1185.jpg

[ihimlen]

Hello!

I enclose some pics...

The nib on the Doric 2nd generation, standard size, has the correct imprint, i think, but it's too big for feed and section...

 

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/daniele_teppa/DSCN1184.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/daniele_teppa/DSCN1185.jpg

 

If the screw in unit comes from the Gold Seal Morocco DRC then yup, it needs to be an adjustable nib (Adjustable Point has a cutaway feed to accommodate the slider and the feed+nib are enclosed in a hard rubber screw-in unit just like this one). When I first saw the pictures, I *thought* that I saw the distinct design of the feed but I needed to zoom it a bit and even then I couldn't be 100% sure - that shows much more details, thanks!

 

...so, it looks like you'll need to be on a lookout for a No.5 (I think No. 5 is what you need) Adjustable Point then.

 

P.S. The standard Eversharp nibs Syd had in mind were a bit different - they had a heart-shaped vent hole and EVERSHARP in a semi-circle like this one below (the pic comes from PenHero.com and is for reference only!) They came in various sizes and perhaps one that'll fit your pen needs to be a lil' bit smaller than the one pictured.

 

http://www.penhero.com/PenGallery/Eversharp/Pics/EversharpSkylineModern27.jpg

 

Regards

 

i.

Edited October 1, 2010 by ihimlen

[Daniele]

The top of all adjustable feeds is cut away dramatically on either side of the ink channel to allow for the bulk of the adjuster slide wings or tabs to have a path to travel in and still leave the slit of the nib up close in contact with the walls of the ink channel. As was alluded to as one of the ideas expressed above, The gold seal meaning lifetime guarantee, was dropped later on in the production as the lifetime guaranteed models fell away. If you need a nib, PM me.

Syd

 

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