Bay State Blue

[Mickey]

 

 

Glenn-SC is very knowledgeable concerning fountain pens, and I'm sure if he's confident that BSB ruined his pen, then BSB ruined the pen.

 

Then he should have no trouble answering my polite inquiry. I would truly like to know by what mechanism BSB destroys pens.

[jniforat]

 

 

Glenn-SC is very knowledgeable concerning fountain pens, and I'm sure if he's confident that BSB ruined his pen, then BSB ruined the pen.

 

Then he should have no trouble answering my polite inquiry. I would truly like to know by what mechanism BSB destroys pens.

 

Ok. I think he did, but maybe he'll explain it differently.

 

 

Either way, i had the same experience with my Hero 616 jumbo.

Edited August 3, 2010 by jniforat

[jniforat]

For those of you that want a nice black, i suggest Noodler's Dark matter!! (off topic, i know, but it's been wonderful in all my pens.)

[Possum Hill]

For those of you that want a nice black, i suggest Noodler's Dark matter!! (off topic, i know, but it's been wonderful in all my pens.)

Off topic if that matters, but it does illustrate that we can choose from a wide variety of inks, readily available. There's something for everyone.

[USN Air TrafficController]

It seems that at least 90% of heated discussions on this site are about Noodlers Inks. I was reading and a slogan popped in my head, "Noodlers Inks, it's better than a poke in the eye!" PS I use Noodlers everyday. It's my favorite ink. YT

[Lloyd]

Welcome back, PH!

[Glenn-SC]

Glenn-SC is very knowledgeable concerning fountain pens, and I'm sure if he's confident that BSB ruined his pen, then BSB ruined the pen.

 

Then he should have no trouble answering my polite inquiry. I would truly like to know by what mechanism BSB destroys pens.

I find it interesting that I have to defend my "pen hygiene" and knowledge of pen operation to "prove" that it was BSB and not me that damaged my pen!

:roflmho: :roflmho: :roflmho:

 

I just wrote a very long and detailed explanation of how I use and clean my pens and what BSB did to my Lamy.

Then I decided that it was pointless an erased it.

 

There is nothing I can say that will change your beliefs on BSB.

Believe what you want.

If you want to, use BSB in every pen you own and be happy.

[Mickey]

Glenn-SC is very knowledgeable concerning fountain pens, and I'm sure if he's confident that BSB ruined his pen, then BSB ruined the pen.

 

Then he should have no trouble answering my polite inquiry. I would truly like to know by what mechanism BSB destroys pens.

I find it interesting that I have to defend my "pen hygiene" and knowledge of pen operation to "prove" that it was BSB and not me that damaged my pen!

:roflmho: :roflmho: :roflmho:

 

I just wrote a very long and detailed explanation of how I use and clean my pens and what BSB did to my Lamy.

Then I decided that it was pointless an erased it.

 

There is nothing I can say that will change your beliefs on BSB.

Believe what you want.

If you want to, use BSB in every pen you own and be happy.

 

I presently use BSB in no pens, as I've stated repeatedly, as well as my reasons for not using it. As for your pen hygiene, perhaps it is not a contributing factor. Be that as it may, you still have not described in this thread (have you mentioned it elsewhere?) the exact nature of your pen's destruction. In fact, all you have done is state that your pen failed while loaded with BSB, which you seem to believe constitutes causality. It does not. Consider the following.

 

Premise: A man chokes to death while eating a lobster dinner at 21, the famous restaurant in New York City.

 

Question: Which killed him, the lobster, the waiter, or New York City?

 

Answer: None of the above, though it might be claimed that real culprit was the bartender who made the 6 double Martinis he had before dinner. The ethanol poisoning created a situation where nearly any solid food constituted a serious choke risk. The lobster could just as easily have been replaced by steak, duck, or a Debbie Cake.

 

I have no fixed beliefs regarding the destructive power of BSB. It may cause damage, but so far I have observed none, and your anecdote by itself is neither illuminating nor convincing. I will stipulate your superior pen hygiene, but I would still be interested in reading what sort of damage you actually observed.

[ToasterPastry]

Perhaps a better test than throwing a couple of pen parts into a flask, or having someone sacrifice their S.T. Dupont in the name of protecting the honor of BSB, would be to try to recreate Glenn's claim.

 

In other words, purchase the exact same pen Glenn used. Repeat, as best as one could possibly perform, the sequence of events leading up to the failure of the pen. What ink(s) was/were used before BSB? How was the pen cleaned before using BSB? Then, assuming the pen fails, take the pen to a failure analysis laboratory with the inks involved.

[79spitfire]

Glenn-SC is very knowledgeable concerning fountain pens, and I'm sure if he's confident that BSB ruined his pen, then BSB ruined the pen.

 

Then he should have no trouble answering my polite inquiry. I would truly like to know by what mechanism BSB destroys pens.

I find it interesting that I have to defend my "pen hygiene" and knowledge of pen operation to "prove" that it was BSB and not me that damaged my pen!

:roflmho: :roflmho: :roflmho:

 

I just wrote a very long and detailed explanation of how I use and clean my pens and what BSB did to my Lamy.

Then I decided that it was pointless an erased it.

 

There is nothing I can say that will change your beliefs on BSB.

Believe what you want.

If you want to, use BSB in every pen you own and be happy.

 

If I remember the feed plugged and the piston filler was stuck/damaged/broken.

 

This "test" un-scientific as it is was meant to see if there were any noticeable changes/damages to celluloid, not the structural plastic used in Lamys (kilts or otherwise). I don't have any Lamy Safari's to test BSB with, I have however used one exclusively with Bullet Proof Black with no ill effects. This denies the "Noodler's will destroy your pens" statement from another thread. The only reason BSB was picked for this test is it is the ink blamed the most in the "pen was ruined" stories.

 

Celluloid was picked first due to the two Esterbrooks that were damaged. (and I had some to test with) Another variable I'm surprised no one has thought to bring up is the celluloid. It can't possibly be identical from manufacture to manufacture or even color to color. To eliminate all possible variables is literally impossible with the resources I have at my disposal.

 

My intentions were NOT to discredit anyone, I just wanted to find a way to "prove" to myself this ink was generally safe to use. Did it occur to anyone that perhaps this was just a bad batch, and the newer bottles of ink (such as mine) aren't capable of causing any weird reactions?

[Possum Hill]

Glenn-SC is very knowledgeable concerning fountain pens, and I'm sure if he's confident that BSB ruined his pen, then BSB ruined the pen.

 

Then he should have no trouble answering my polite inquiry. I would truly like to know by what mechanism BSB destroys pens.

I find it interesting that I have to defend my "pen hygiene" and knowledge of pen operation to "prove" that it was BSB and not me that damaged my pen!

:roflmho: :roflmho: :roflmho:

 

I just wrote a very long and detailed explanation of how I use and clean my pens and what BSB did to my Lamy.

Then I decided that it was pointless an erased it.

 

There is nothing I can say that will change your beliefs on BSB.

Believe what you want.

If you want to, use BSB in every pen you own and be happy.

That explanation would have been useful information for those who are interested in what really happens with pens and ink, rather than in choosing up sides over a particular mixture of dye and water.

[Glenn-SC]

Did it occur to anyone that perhaps this was just a bad batch...?

The thought of an anomalous batch of ink occurred to me as well.

 

But I have no further pens I wish to donate to the experiment.

[Possum Hill]

It seems that at least 90% of heated discussions on this site are about Noodlers Inks. I was reading and a slogan popped in my head, "Noodlers Inks, it's better than a poke in the eye!" PS I use Noodlers everyday. It's my favorite ink. YT

:roflmho:

[jniforat]

It seems that at least 90% of heated discussions on this site are about Noodlers Inks. I was reading and a slogan popped in my head, "Noodlers Inks, it's better than a poke in the eye!" PS I use Noodlers everyday. It's my favorite ink. YT

 

The main reason why it's such heated discussion is because someone will say "I'm afraid to use Noodler's" or "Noodler's "ate" my pen, and I don't want to experiment with another pen", and then a bunch of Noodler's lovers rush to defend the brand and basically discredit the OP's (whatever the topic is) experience with Noodler's.

 

I hate BSB, but love Noodler's (specifically Dark Matter, and i'm ordering HoD and a few different shades of blue this month as well). But, most of the time when i say i hate BSB, there's some rant that follows. It's frustrating w/o a doubt.

 

 

*hides behind a wall hoping to not be stoned*

[Northwoods]

I received a bottle of BSB last Christmas and filled up the freebie eyedropper pen I got with Heart of Darkness. I used it a little and promptly forgot about it. Yesterday, seeing the renewed debate, I picked up the pen after many months and it wrote well, with no ill effects. The pen itself tends to get overly wet unless you tip it nib up every so often to drain the feed, but it did that long before it ever tasted BSB.

 

That's my experience with BSB. I make no claims to the safety or lack thereof, and am just presenting my observations.

[Possum Hill]

Welcome back, PH!

Thank you. It appears that little has changed.

[Lloyd]

Welcome back, PH!

Thank you. It appears that little has changed.

 

New voices, same arguments.....

[dizzypen]

*hides behind a wall hoping to not be stoned*

 

Come on... Do you really think that wall will protect you? Boulders via catapult have taken out many a wall...

[Scrawler]

Perhaps a better test than throwing a couple of pen parts into a flask, or having someone sacrifice their S.T. Dupont in the name of protecting the honor of BSB, would be to try to recreate Glenn's claim.

 

In other words, purchase the exact same pen Glenn used. Repeat, as best as one could possibly perform, the sequence of events leading up to the failure of the pen. What ink(s) was/were used before BSB? How was the pen cleaned before using BSB? Then, assuming the pen fails, take the pen to a failure analysis laboratory with the inks involved.

I have tried to contact Dupont to ask for some pieces of pen to perform controlled experiments, but they no longer receive email at their US customer support. This is not a matter of "protecting the honor of BSB". This is a matter of definitively finding those plastics with which it is incompatible, if any. We need to determine if it was a real or counterfeit Dupont and we need to perform controlled experiments. Fist the soaking in ink will potentially implicate or exonerate the ink by itself. The information derived from this will then enable the scientifically minded to design further experiments to look into combination's. In the arena of experimentation there is no place for preconceived notions or emotive responses. If anyone knows a valid email address for Dupont in the US, I would like it. I will try to assemble the pieces for this experiment. I plan to use test tubes with ground glass stoppers. If the genuine Dupont feed can be eliminated, we need to obtain samples of counterfeit ones, preferably without contributing to the counterfeiters income.

[Possum Hill]

It seems that at least 90% of heated discussions on this site are about Noodlers Inks. I was reading and a slogan popped in my head, "Noodlers Inks, it's better than a poke in the eye!" PS I use Noodlers everyday. It's my favorite ink. YT

 

The main reason why it's such heated discussion is because someone will say "I'm afraid to use Noodler's" or "Noodler's "ate" my pen, and I don't want to experiment with another pen", and then a bunch of Noodler's lovers rush to defend the brand and basically discredit the OP's (whatever the topic is) experience with Noodler's.

 

I hate BSB, but love Noodler's (specifically Dark Matter, and i'm ordering HoD and a few different shades of blue this month as well). But, most of the time when i say i hate BSB, there's some rant that follows. It's frustrating w/o a doubt.

 

 

*hides behind a wall hoping to not be stoned*

It's human nature to respond with a similar degree of passion, I think. When someone says he hates an ink, someone else will respond that he loves it.

 

ETA: The wall won't protect you from a stone with a high enough arc.

Edited August 4, 2010 by Possum Hill