Has Baystate Blue damaged your Lamy?

[jleeper]

There is an undeniable Cult of Noodler around here and BSB is one of their holiest relics.

 

Only a few of us have attempted the 6th plane of Transcendental Noodling, but weaving enchantment spells with counter-clockwise swirls of BSB is tantamount to having a blissful experience.

 

We are told that Nathan is stocking some ponds in Guyana where we all will be moving to, after giving up all our worldly possessions. What could go wrong?

Is there such a thing as blue Kool-Aid? I seem to have a powerful thirst.

 

 

Of course there is blue Kook-Aid. (and I think some of the folks around here have already drank it.)

Edited March 4, 2010 by jleeper

[Silvermink]

Of course there is blue Kook-Aid.

 

Freudian slip?

[Possum Hill]

 

Of course there is blue Kook-Aid. (and I think some of the folks around here have already drank it.)

I looked at the ingredient list; I think I'd rather drink ink.

[pen2paper]

So I'm still curious to know if Jakob S received his BSB sample, and conducted a test?

was the bad feed run, vs BSB finally established?

staining is understood, per its design.

[Dace]

I love BSB but it does not work well in my Lamy Safari for some reason. So I have stopped using it in that. Otherwise I love it.

[johnptc]

why would a water based ink melt/disolve/destroy any part of a modern pen ???

 

what is in the ink ??

and what is the nib/feed made of to be so delicate ??

 

curious minds would like to know !!

[The Dude]

BSB is the sole reason I bought a Pilot 78G. Buy a cheap pen and dedicate its life to the ink if you want it bad enough. I personally love the color and think its worth it to have it in a dedicated pen. Next Ill try it out in a Parker 51. If the ink is an old formula, I bet the older pens of that generation can handle it just fine...

[Feanor]

BSB is a pain to clean out of even fully disassembled pens. I used it in a Parker Latitude and can't get the blue off the underside of the nib, and though it's hard to tell against the black feed, I'm pretty sure there's some there too. I don't think my BSB is likely to get into any of my pens besides that one and the eyedropper it came with. It's certainly not getting in my p51, more because of the staining than concern for the feed.

[tfwall]

BSB is a pain to clean out of even fully disassembled pens. I used it in a Parker Latitude and can't get the blue off the underside of the nib, and though it's hard to tell against the black feed, I'm pretty sure there's some there too.

 

Yes, this is a common problem among many Noodler's Inks. Full disassembly and ultrasonic cleaning, followed by mechanical cleaning is the best course of action.

 

I don't think my BSB is likely to get into any of my pens besides that one and the eyedropper it came with.

 

When the manufacturer provides you with a throw away pen in which to use an ink, that is a strong suggestion worth taking.

[stedders]

I have been using BSB in my blue Lamy Studio for the last 6-8 weeks.

 

Last weekend, while cleaning the pen in readiness to refill, the side of the feed fell off. I guess it could have been a dodgy feed but I've never had this happen with any of my other Studios or Safaris.

 

I don't see this as Lamy's or Noodler's fault - I had heard of dangers and ignored them in pursuit of a perfect ink/barrel colour match.

 

I have a black Parker 51 dedicated to BSB and that's fine.

 

Andy

[Possum Hill]

BSB is a pain to clean out of even fully disassembled pens. I used it in a Parker Latitude and can't get the blue off the underside of the nib, and though it's hard to tell against the black feed, I'm pretty sure there's some there too.

 

Yes, this is a common problem among many Noodler's Inks. Full disassembly and ultrasonic cleaning, followed by mechanical cleaning is the best course of action.

 

I don't think my BSB is likely to get into any of my pens besides that one and the eyedropper it came with.

 

 

When the manufacturer provides you with a throw away pen in which to use an ink, that is a strong suggestion worth taking.

 

Standard Chemyst v. Noodler's ink warning. YMMV.

[majorworks]

I'll admit that I'm a-sceered to put BSB in my Vista. So I picked up a Preppy with medium nib and use it as an ED pen dedicated to BSB. It holds so much ink that I don't know when or if I'll get through the first fill. So far neither the feed, nor barrel, of the Preppy has melted.

[bpendleton]

I'll admit that I'm a-sceered to put BSB in my Vista. So I picked up a Preppy with medium nib and use it as an ED pen dedicated to BSB. It holds so much ink that I don't know when or if I'll get through the first fill. So far neither the feed, nor barrel, of the Preppy has melted.

 

How long ago did you first load it?

 

I wonder, if a pattern can be determined, if the pens that get weakened are made of similar stuff. While I'm waffling about putting BSB in my Safari, I have it in a Blue/Black Pilot Petit1... the pen is a bit small to hold, but it also puts its entire mechanism on display, so I can see where the ink is in the feed, or if anything starts leaking without opening it up.

[tanesiir]

I'm one of those sometimes accused of worshiping Noodler's and I posted details of Safari feeds failing in pens used with BSB

I must apologize, I did not mean anyone in particular and I especially didn't mean to name you as a member of that particular cult.

 

That said, I do find it curious that you have not noticed the cultish atmosphere surrounding Mr Noodler and his products. I personally find it very similar to the cult worshipping Steve Jobs and all his iProducts.

 

now how about contributing facts or experience useful to the OP? Or did my faulty eyesight cause me to miss them?

Well... if you don't like people straying away from the subject, you propbably shouldn't do it yourself? I mean, if you make an off-topic comment and someone chooses to reply to it, you better not get too smartsypantsy about the reply. Would you not agree?

 

But just to keep everyone happy. I remember reading recently probably from FPN (but can't guarantee it) someone explaining how it is not the plastic that melts on Safaris but some glue that holds the feed together. For some reason Lamy (at least on some productions runs(?)) supposedly did not cast/machine the feeds as one part but instead glued them together from separate pieces. BSB dissolves this glue which results the nib falling off just by the force of gravity. Whether this is a fact or not I do not know.

[tanesiir]

Yes, this is a common problem among many Noodler's Inks. Full disassembly and ultrasonic cleaning, followed by mechanical cleaning is the best course of action.

 

This seems to lead to a conclusion that pens which can't be fully disassembled should not be used with Noodler's inks?

[johnptc]

 

But just to keep everyone happy. I remember reading recently probably from FPN (but can't guarantee it) someone explaining how it is not the plastic that melts on Safaris but some glue that holds the feed together. For some reason Lamy (at least on some productions runs(?)) supposedly did not cast/machine the feeds as one part but instead glued them together from separate pieces. BSB dissolves this glue which results the nib falling off just by the force of gravity. Whether this is a fact or not I do not know.

 

TRUE OR NOT AT LEAST IT WOULD MAKE SENSE

[tanesiir]

Only a few of us have attempted the 6th plane of Transcendental Noodling, but weaving enchantment spells with counter-clockwise swirls of BSB is tantamount to having a blissful experience.

We are told that Nathan is stocking some ponds in Guyana where we all will be moving to, after giving up all our worldly possessions. What could go wrong?

 

And when the day comes you will all swallow your personal little bottle (filled to the rim) of BSB.

[Lloyd]

BSB is a pain to clean out of even fully disassembled pens. I used it in a Parker Latitude and can't get the blue off the underside of the nib, and though it's hard to tell against the black feed, I'm pretty sure there's some there too.

Many saturated inks behave this way INCLUDING some Diamine, some PR, and some Noodlers.

 

Yes, this is a common problem among many Noodler's Inks. Full disassembly and ultrasonic cleaning, followed by mechanical cleaning is the best course of action.

This seems to lead to a conclusion that pens which can't be fully disassembled should not be used with Noodler's inks?

 

Only if extreme hygiene is required is all this needed for the more tenacious inks. If a small trace of the ink isn't going to interact negatively with the next batch of ink, just do your best at flushing.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Lloyd

[Possum Hill]

But just to keep everyone happy. I remember reading recently probably from FPN (but can't guarantee it) someone explaining how it is not the plastic that melts on Safaris but some glue that holds the feed together. For some reason Lamy (at least on some productions runs(?)) supposedly did not cast/machine the feeds as one part but instead glued them together from separate pieces. BSB dissolves this glue which results the nib falling off just by the force of gravity. Whether this is a fact or not I do not know.

Nope, just hearsay about speculation. See photos linked earlier in this thread.

[tanesiir]

Nope, just hearsay about speculation. See photos linked earlier in this thread.

I checked the pictures. What were they meant to tell me? They were just pictures of Lamy feeds (supposedly) broken by (supposedly) BSB? The Vista picture had such a low contrast it was not really possible to say anything about it, like if it was broken at all.

 

I think it would be beneficial for your mission if you defined what is acceptable as evidence to you and what is not. Instead of, for example, declaring (more or less arbitarily) certain claims as hearsay or speculation by using a set unexplained pictures as a counter argument. Pictures that might or might not have anything to do with actual problem. All we have is your word for it. Basically the same fault you blamed Chemyst for: "We're left basically having to take his word for it.."? I guess what I am trying to say here is that the standards should be same for everyone and everyone should know them. Otherwise it is all just a silly game.

 

What answer would satisfy you as the final solution to the Lamy vs. BSB puzzle? I take it that the answer you believe you have found (environmental stress cracking) is not final enough? What is missing?