Clairefontaine copier paper

[figosmum]

Dear Clairefontaine connaisseurs,

 

I would like to try out Clairefontaine paper but prefer loose sheets to writing pads. Amazon for example has Clairefontaine copier paper in white and cream, but I am wondering whether the quality is the same as that of the writing pads? After all, it is copier paper and thus maybe not intended to be written on with FPs.

 

Does anybody have experience with this?

 

Regards,

Katinka

[GouletPens]

What country are you in? I just did a quick search here in the US and didn't find the products your'e talking about. A link would be helpful, or at least the name (if not the serial number) of the product in question.

[figosmum]

Hi Brian,

 

I'm in Switzerland and would be ordering via German Amazon. Here are two examples from Amazon, the first creamy, the second white:

 

http://www.amazon.de/Clairefontaine-Kopierpapier-Trophee-120g-Blatt/dp/B000KTBAT6/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&s=officeproduct&qid=1266163607&sr=8-18

 

http://www.amazon.de/Clairefontaine-1842-Kopierpapier-wei%C3%9F-Blatt/dp/B000KT8WL0/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1266163654&sr=8-34

 

Btw, I love your Moleskine vs. Habana clips!

 

Regards,

Katinka

[GouletPens]

Thanks for those links. I've never used the paper in the first one, but the 100g DCP paper is actually going to be imported in the US starting this Spring. Check out page 50 of the Exaclair 2010 catalog. Exaclair sent me a sample of this paper, and it does take fountain pens very well. The paper in your link is thicker paper (160g, as you see on the listing), and it's very, very, white, almost so much that it has a bit of a bluish hue. It's super smooth, too. If you like smooth, white paper, the DCP would be a good route for you to go. I plan on carrying the 100g paper as soon as it's available to me as a retailer. It's not going to be the ultimate solution to everyone's loose paper dreams, but all in all, it's an extremely well-performing paper for fountain pen use.

 

And thanks for the compliments! Actually, I plan to do an Ink Nouveau review of this DCP paper, but I didn't want to release the video until the paper is available. It would just be teasing to review a paper that's not available for sale!

Edited February 14, 2010 by GouletPens

[tfwall]

I would like to try out Clairefontaine paper but prefer loose sheets to writing pads. Amazon for example has Clairefontaine copier paper in white and cream, but I am wondering whether the quality is the same as that of the writing pads? After all, it is copier paper and thus maybe not intended to be written on with FPs.

 

Does anybody have experience with this?

 

I have tried it and was unimpressed. It doesn't take ink as nicely as the Triomphe, with more skipping and feathering. I don't plan on buying any, at least as long as the Triomphe blank pads are available.

[gross]

I would like to try out Clairefontaine paper but prefer loose sheets to writing pads. Amazon for example has Clairefontaine copier paper in white and cream, but I am wondering whether the quality is the same as that of the writing pads? After all, it is copier paper and thus maybe not intended to be written on with FPs.

 

Does anybody have experience with this?

 

I have tried it and was unimpressed. It doesn't take ink as nicely as the Triomphe, with more skipping and feathering. I don't plan on buying any, at least as long as the Triomphe blank pads are available.

Thank you, Chemyst, for setting my mind at rest. Triomphe is my paper of choice and I was wondering about how this new paper would compare. You have saved me an expense and some aggravation. I will put my money into another order of Clairefontaine Triomphe.

[Iranna]

I had also been wondering about this, as I'd seen this paper in a local store. I'm glad I didn't buy it!

[GouletPens]

gross- you can save yourself some trouble by knowing that Triomphe is basically the best paper in the world. It's going to be dang near impossible to find anything that will perform better.

[gross]

gross- you can save yourself some trouble by knowing that Triomphe is basically the best paper in the world. It's going to be dang near impossible to find anything that will perform better.

Thank you. Please be assured that my next order will be from you. I had already decided that. Thanks, again.

[GouletPens]

gross- you can save yourself some trouble by knowing that Triomphe is basically the best paper in the world. It's going to be dang near impossible to find anything that will perform better.

Thank you. Please be assured that my next order will be from you. I had already decided that. Thanks, again.

I am at your service

[Crim]

Is Triomphe different than just normal Clairefontaine paper? And does it come in any color other than super white (I've found that I'm liking Ivory more),

[GouletPens]

Is Triomphe different than just normal Clairefontaine paper? And does it come in any color other than super white (I've found that I'm liking Ivory more),

Triomphe is not the same thing. It's even smoother (and even whiter) than the normal Clairefontaine paper. I've done an overview of the Triomphe on my vlog (click here) as well as a torture test comparing how it holds up against cheaper copy paper (click here). Pretty cool.

 

It's like Henry Ford said with the Model-T: You can have Triomphe in any color you want as long as it's white. I've gotten a lot of requests for off-white Triomphe, but I don't know if that's in the plans anytime soon. The paper's been around for 60 years or so as it is, I don't know if they've ever tried expanding it to other colors in the past. I can pass the word up and maybe get some more info about that!

[maschuu]

Out of curiosity i orderd some DCP 120gr. (available from Amazon Germany directly).

And while it feels easily as good as the "standard" Velouté paper (very smooth) and offers a nice writing experience (i didn't experience any skipping), it feathers (not dramatically, and not with every ink), and the ink doesn't look as nice when dry compared to the Velouté.

Sadly i can't compare it to the Triomphe, since these aren't available in Germany..... :embarrassed_smile:

[GouletPens]

Out of curiosity i orderd some DCP 120gr. (available from Amazon Germany directly).

And while it feels easily as good as the "standard" Velouté paper (very smooth) and offers a nice writing experience (i didn't experience any skipping), it feathers (not dramatically, and not with every ink), and the ink doesn't look as nice when dry compared to the Velouté.

Sadly i can't compare it to the Triomphe, since these aren't available in Germany..... :embarrassed_smile:

Interesting...I didn't have any feathering issues using the 100g DCP with J. Herbin ink....

 

I will admit that this paper doesn't quite compare to Triomphe. That's a high standard for comparison!

[maschuu]

The only ink that feathered quite a lot was Baystate Blue out of a Pelikano "L". Legal Lapis out of a Lamy Safari "B" also did, though only very little.

Prussian Blue (Pelikan M605 "F") and Diamine Majestic Blue (Safari "F") didn't feather at all.

But since all these inks in the same pens don't feather on the Velouté paper, the DCP is no "loose pages substitute".

Sadly i can't compare it to the Triomphe, since these aren't available in Germany..... :embarrassed_smile:

 

I'm glad this isn't true anymore

The german distributor gave me the advice to ask a online shop they are kind of "connected" with, if they could order it (since officially it isn't meant to be sold in Germany.....). And not only are they able to, they even already listed the pads in their online shop, so everyone can order it easily .

Captain-Office.de - Clairefontaine Triomphe

Edited February 17, 2010 by maschuu

[figosmum]

Yippieeeeehhhhh!!!!

 

Maschuu, you are my hero... Reading all these Triomphe laudatio's made my mouth water too, and thanks to you I now know where to get it in Germany.

 

Thanks! (Just wish they had it in ivory... will sign up in Brian Goulet's post, not sure that helps though...)

Katinka

[maschuu]

So, after receiving a big paper order this weekend i was able to compare DCP 100gr, DCP 120gr, Triomphe and the "standard" Clairefontaine Velouté paper. And i was surprised by the results...

 

The Triomphe paper is really nice, even smoother then the standard paper and no feathering issues. But the echo was a bit stronger compared to the standard paper.

The DCP paper easily rivals the Triomphe in writing smoothness (no difference between the 100gr and 120gr), it's even a tiny bit smoother actually...

 

So with the right Ink (as written above it's not completely feathering-proof, but only with a small percentage of my inks) the DCP is a VERY good value for the money.

I paid 3,35€ for one Triomphe A4 pad and 8,98€ for 500 sheets of the 100gr DCP paper. That's 6,7ct (Triomphe) compared to 1,8ct (DCP 100gr) per sheet (about 3,7x more for the Triomphe)

 

So my first assessment about the DCP not being a good substitute for the velouté paper was wrong, it really is, especially since writing even feels nicer.

Edited February 28, 2010 by maschuu

[tfwall]

So, after receiving a big paper order this weekend i was able to compare DCP 100gr, DCP 120gr, Triomphe and the "standard" Clairefontaine Velouté paper. And i was surprised by the results...

 

The Triomphe paper is really nice, even smoother then the standard paper and no feathering issues. But the echo was a bit stronger compared to the standard paper.

The DCP paper easily rivals the Triomphe in writing smoothness (no difference between the 100gr and 120gr), it's even a tiny bit smoother actually...

 

So with the right Ink (as written above it's not completely feathering-proof, but only with a small percentage of my inks) the DCP is a VERY good value for the money.

I paid 3,35€ for one Triomphe A4 pad and 8,98€ for 500 sheets of the 100gr DCP paper. That's 6,7ct (Triomphe) compared to 1,8ct (DCP 100gr) per sheet (about 3,7x more for the Triomphe)

 

So my first assessment about the DCP not being a good substitute for the velouté paper was wrong, it really is, especially since writing even feels nicer.

 

Good assessment, though the cost savings is a bit lost on our American members.

[GouletPens]

 

Good assessment, though the cost savings is a bit lost on our American members.

 

It's not quite as good, but it still works out better for Americans. The DCP paper, though not available until at least April, will have a list price of $12/100sheets, versus $9/50 sheets for a large Triomphe tablet. The DCP will be more economical. Since I've used both, I still suspect a lot of people will prefer the Triomphe. However, the DCP will certainly have it's place, which is why Exaclair is importing both!

[Lukas]

Hi,

 

I was looking to buy Clairefontaine sheets in bulk but instead of DCP I found the "Clairalfa" version, it comes from 80 to 250 gr/m2. Has anyone tried it yet? If so, How does it compare to the Triomphe?

 

http://www.papiers-clairefontaine.com/en/multifonction-papers/clairalfa.html

http://www.papiers-clairefontaine.com/en/catalogue/appli.htm?onglet=&page=8