Noodler's BulletProof on a moleskine

[PenMan828]

How is it that i am able to rub off noodler bulletproof black off the paper in my moleskine with my fingers?

isnt bulletproof supposed to be extremely permanent?

[Kathelyne]

I don't know how thick the paper is, but if you are removing the actual paper from the top layer then the ink can come with it.

[PenMan828]

I don't know how thick the paper is, but if you are removing the actual paper from the top layer then the ink can come with it.

 

im just sliding my hand across the page and stuff that sat there for days actually smear like i just put it there.

[RitaCarbon]

It's just BULLET proof, not moleskine...

[Jules]

Maybe the paper has some type of layering (chemicals? I don't know) on top of it that's preventing the ink from really settling in?

Edited February 8, 2010 by Jaylin

[Philosophy Student]

Noodlers Bulletproof Black smudges on almost any paper, even rhodia. It is not a problem of the paper, although the slickness of the moleskine is probably attributing to it. What happens is, if you are writing with a wetter ink, the ink sits ontop of the paper a dries. It does not get absorbed into the paper (hence the no feathering or bleedthrough. With a wet nib the extra ink dries ontop of the ink in contact with the paper and taada smudging. When you use bulletproof black on more absorbant papers it smudges less. What I did was cut a piece of blotting paper and stuck it in the moleskine, that way i carry it around with me and when i am done with that page or writing I place the blotting paper there. Its also great for when you have to close up your book fast before the ink is dry.

 

I have used inks in moleskine that do not smudge with no feathering or bleedthrough. I just use bulletproof black because a super nice person gifted me a bottle. Thanks again stephen.

 

I hope this helps a bit.

[bluemagister]

Cellulose reactive inks only become permanent if they hit the paper. Excess ink doesn't bond with the paper and you can easily remove it. A lot of carbon inks do this, too. The ink that HAS bonded is permanent, though. Try using a finer nib to minimize excess ink.

[seanpooh]

The same rubbing phenomenon happens to me also. The only paper it does so is on on Clairefontaine and Rhodia graph paper (in a spiral notebook with 200 pages). I think it's because of a coating atop of the page which doesn't let the ink set in all the way.

Edited February 8, 2010 by seanpooh

[rookieboyliu]

Perhaps you should try it on some other paper, and see if does the same thing. If it doesn't smudge, it's probably the moleskine paper. If it does, there's something wrong with the ink, because mine never does that.

[Randal6393]

I have noted that as Noodler Bulletproof Black ages a tendency to sit on the paper develops. Adding a bit of water, say 10% by volume, thins the ink and eliminates the extra ink on top of the paper. Blotting also helps prevent smearing by removing excess ink. Some writers report thinning their Noodler inks by as much as 50% without noticeable loss of hue or color.

 

Enjoy,

[parkerstylo]

What I did was cut a piece of blotting paper and stuck it in the moleskine, that way i carry it around with me and when i am done with that page or writing I place the blotting paper there. Its also great for when you have to close up your book fast before the ink is dry.

 

+1.

 

I slot a page of Herbin blotting paper in at the page I'm writing on.

[psfred]

This happens with many modern papers that are both super-calendared and highly sized (or coated). The ink will not penetrate at all, just sits on top of the paper, and can easily be smeared or displaced by water. The nasty thermal labels we have at work are a case in point -- they do not allow fountain pen ink to penetrate at all (nor does gel pen ink) with the result that my normally totally waterproof Noodler's Polar Blue and Kung te Cheng wipe off if damp. Very annoying, to say the least.

 

Moleskine journals have a reputation for very highly variable paper -- each lot is quite different as a rule -- so the next one you get may bleed and feather like crazy with the same ink.

 

As noted, diluting the ink will usually help.

 

Staples Bagasse papers are somewhat similar -- the batch I currently have tends to have very poor ink penetration, to the point that X-Feather ink is barely waterproof unless it sits for a few days, unlike it's normal instant development of water resistance if used on other more absorbant papers.

 

Lab notebooks are sometimes treated to resist water, and this coating will prevent water based inks from adhering well, and in some cases makes it impossible to use them. BP ink writes on them just fine.

 

Peter