Recommendations for ergonomics & function in yellow highlighter 3,000+ pages

[SamCapote]

I have several expensive hardbound textbooks that I want to read and highlight with yellow highlighter and ruler to get straight lines. I know Noodlers makes some underlining inks which I have not used. In some ways it seems I should just go to Staples and get one of many disposable, cheap yellow highlighters, but most of those I have used in the past do not seem all that well made...including ergonomics and function.

 

I want to make sure the ink doesn't penetrate and interfere with text on opposide side, as one 2000 page book uses thinner paper. I wanted something that is comfortable holding for long times, and that holds up to lots of marking (thousands of pages).

 

I figured why not put this to one of my favorite forums for some answers. Thanks in advance

[agchristie]

How about Noodlers YOGP in either the Platinum Preppy Eyedropper Highlighter that comes with it or in a refillable brush pen.

I must admit that I havent tried it yet myself but due to reviews and reading here on fpn I have ordered Noodlers YOGP and will either use it in the preppy or in a yellow m200 with a calligraphy nib for highlighting, underlining and little doodles!

[coldman]

I've used YOTGP with the Preppy highlighter, and I wasn't particularly happy about it. The tip of the preppy dried up quickly, and the ink was thicker and darker than I liked. PM me your address, and I'll send you a sample so that you can see if you like it better than I did.

[loweevan]

I noticed a solid-stick highlighter at Levenger the last time I was in there (this one, actually). I don't know how it is with smudging, but it won't bleed through on you. It seemed nicely weighted and balanced, but I didn't pay much attention, since I don't highlight things.

[Nikhil]

You could try a large calligraphy nibbed Safari with Noodler's highlighting ink.

[agchristie]

I just recieved my Noodlers YOGP and I love it! Have tried it on several different papers in the preppy highlighter and on different inks like Noodlers Legal Lapis, Bad blue heron and Diamine Umber shortly after writing and nothing smeared. Also looks good on print. Its just a good bright and light highlighting yellow. Also worked well on print. I certainly would recommend the ink and one can still try it out in the preppy which comes with it or other pens.

[Sandy1]

hello,

 

Hi,

 

I found Noodler's Firefly (NFf) to be exceptional when run from a pen.

 

Depending on the line height of the text, you can get a pretty good match using one of the inexpensive Calligraphy sets, such as Sheaffer's 'No Nonsense' that includes a Italic nibs in 3 quite oversize widths called F, M & B.

 

Also, Pilot makes their 78G with B & BB nibs which are Italics. (I just don't like those CON-20 converters.) IMHO, the calligraphy pens'll have a better feed to keep up with contious running. (Which is the primary reason I decline to support the calligraphy nibs on the Safari - feed can't keep up.)

 

I think that each of those pens will be suitable for use with a cork-backed flexible stainless steel straight-edge, such as those made by - oops erm Westcott, Wescoat, something like that. [Edit: Westcott. Available as a ruler from Amazon, 18" and 6" versions : http://www.amazon.com/Westcott-Stainless-Inches-Silver-10417/dp/B000093IJ1 ] The cork backing raises the 'running edge' off the page. You may wipe it down easily. (Please, do not use a ruler, as the ruler's edge may become coated with hi-liter, which may well smudge & make a general mess of things.)

 

I've also mixed NFf with Sailor Nano Blue-Black (SNBlBk) to create a green colour highlight ink which is water resistant and quite unlikely to bleed through even a lightly coated/glazed paper. YMMV.

http://www.fountainp...t=#entry1368957

Also, I've added some caveats about SNBlBk in the most recent Posts on that Topic

 

Personally, I only use hi-liter under the text. So if I need to copy, scan the page, the hi-liter may show, but it isn't over the text giving a 'gray-out' effect; hi-liter over the text can also increase error rate for OCR.

 

Best regrds,

Sandy1

Edited January 24, 2010 by Sandy1

[SamCapote]

Thanks for some great suggestions so far.

 

I noticed a solid-stick highlighter at Levenger the last time I was in there (this one, actually). I don't know how it is with smudging, but it won't bleed through on you. It seemed nicely weighted and balanced, but I didn't pay much attention, since I don't highlight things.

I think that is going to be a backup if Sandy's ideas don't work. I envision having to deal with a changing width as the sharpened point wears down quickly.

 

hello,

 

Hi,

 

I found Noodler's Firefly (NFf) to be exceptional when run from a pen.

 

Depending on the line height of the text, you can get a pretty good match using one of the inexpensive Calligraphy sets, such as Sheaffer's 'No Nonsense' that includes a Italic nibs in 3 quite oversize widths called F, M & B.

 

Also, Pilot makes their 78G with B & BB nibs which are Italics. (I just don't like those CON-20 converters.) IMHO, the calligraphy pens'll have a better feed to keep up with contious running. (Which is the primary reason I decline to support the calligraphy nibs on the Safari - feed can't keep up.)

 

I think that each of those pens will be suitable for use with a cork-backed flexible stainless steel straight-edge, such as those made by - oops erm Westcott, Wescoat, something like that. The cork backing raises the 'running edge' off the page. You may wipe it down easily. (Please, do not use a ruler, as the ruler's edge may become coated with hi-liter, which may well smudge & make a general mess of things.)

 

I've also mixed NFf with Sailor Nano Blue-Black (SNBlBk) to create a green colour highlight ink which is water resistant and quite unlikely to bleed through even a lightly coated/glazed paper. YMMV.

http://www.fountainp...t=#entry1368957

Also, I've added some caveats about SNBlBk in the most recent Posts on that Topic

 

Personally, I only use hi-liter under the text. So if I need to copy, scan the page, the hi-liter may show, but it isn't over the text giving a 'gray-out' effect; hi-liter over the text can also increase error rate for OCR.

 

Best regrds,

Sandy1

 

Really great idea on the Wescott cork lined rulers. Found them at Amazon here in various lengths & free shipping.

 

I definitely need to highlight over the text, and will not need to scan/copy...so I'm wondering if those Sheaffer or Pilot sets have wide enough nibs? The older felt tip (i.e. Pentel) are 4mm wide. I actually took a ruler, and the text is mostly 2.0 to 2.5mm high. I found this John Neal Bookseller website that has all kinds that would be wide enough, with an actual width pdf printout of the Speedball Style "B" Round. Then there are a whole slew of calligraphy sets at Amazon, but I'm not seeing what the actual line widths are. Maybe I should call that John Neal store?

 

I have one. They are very nice. Check with Norm Hasse at hisnibs.com. Also Speerbob has carried then and Todd at isellpens.com.

+1 I got mine from hisnibs. Be aware that these are not rounded BBs - they are 'Italic-ish, stub-like' nibs that vary the line width depending on nib orientation. i.e. Down stroke is wider than side stroke. IIRC the BB has a max line width just over 1mm. -- BR S1

 

I just found your post here, and it looks like the Pilot BB is only 1mm which won't be wide enough.

 

Also, does the Year of the Pig not work as well in these calligraphy pens vs. Firefly?

 

 

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Edited January 24, 2010 by SamCapote

[Sandy1]

Hi,

For the Scheaffer calligraphy nibs, I took a look at the Sheaffer sub-Forum. There is a Topic where one of the Posters makes mention of having a No Nonsense kit. So perhaps ask her for info on the F, M & B nib widths.

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=135085&pid=1336611&start=&st=#entry1336611

Bye

S1

[jgrasty]

The Sheaffer calligraphy pen with a broad nib with be great for highlighting. I should try it...

[scribbler]

Year of the Golden Pig is very pigment-heavy and will clog/dry out the Preppy highlighter pen that comes with the ink in very short order.

 

I second the rec for Noodler's Firefly. I have mine in a Preppy highlighter I nicked from a YOGP order and I have done over 1,000 pages in the space of a couple of months. Still ticking, no leaks, no problems, and the highlighter tip is still fine and pretty precise. If the tip is a bit narrow to cover the text, I highlight the top and bottom "halves" of the vertical space of the text, and the bleed-through is not too atrocious. Dries neon-bright; my favorite highlighter ink. (I have the pink, the green, and the blue as well, lol)

[effrafax]

I would think that one of the Pilot Parallel pens with Noodler's highlighting ink would work well, except for YotGP, which, as stated above, is going to clog any fountain pen.

 

I have all four sizes in the Parallel pens, and just got a bottle of Blue Lightning, so may give it a try soon. The 2.4 or 3.6mm pens would probably be best.

[SamCapote]

I found what seems to be a perfect solution, thanks to everyone in this thread. Using the cork sided Westcott metal ruler, and then either this 2.4mm nib Pilot Parallel Pen with Noodler's Firefly, or the 3.8mm size here for larger text flows beautifully without skipping even on a pretty fast moving line. They have well designed feeds. The included (disposable) ink cartridges are easy to push in, then empty and flush clean, followed by syringe refilling with Firefly. The metal nib is secure and strong enough against ruler edge that after 30+ pages, no problems or wear of metal on metal is visible with nib. They also have them in 1.5mm & 6mm nibs.

[holgalee]

I like the Pentel Handy-line S. It's a retractable, refillable fountain pen highlighter that reminds me of the Vanishing Point. It doesn't bleedthrough and is fairly dry compared to most highlighters I've tried. The refill can probably be loaded with YOTP ink though I've not tried it before as I don't have the ink.

Edited January 30, 2010 by holgalee

[Sandy1]

I found what seems to be a perfect solution, thanks to everyone in this thread. Using the cork sided Westcott metal ruler, and then either this 2.4mm nib Pilot Parallel Pen with Noodler's Firefly, or the 3.8mm size here for larger text flows beautifully without skipping even on a pretty fast moving line. They have well designed feeds. The included (disposable) ink cartridges are easy to push in, then empty and flush clean, followed by syringe refilling with Firefly. The metal nib is secure and strong enough against ruler edge that after 30+ pages, no problems or wear of metal on metal is visible with nib. They also have them in 1.5mm & 6mm nibs.

Sounds like a great kit! Green as it gets too I bet.

 

I'd seen those wide-nib pens, so good to learn that they aren't there just to look cute.

 

But : what's the wee 'wing-like' thing for? Some alt grip? steadying device??

-- S1

[SamCapote]

I found what seems to be a perfect solution, thanks to everyone in this thread. Using the cork sided Westcott metal ruler, and then either this 2.4mm nib Pilot Parallel Pen with Noodler's Firefly, or the 3.8mm size here for larger text flows beautifully without skipping even on a pretty fast moving line. They have well designed feeds. The included (disposable) ink cartridges are easy to push in, then empty and flush clean, followed by syringe refilling with Firefly. The metal nib is secure and strong enough against ruler edge that after 30+ pages, no problems or wear of metal on metal is visible with nib. They also have them in 1.5mm & 6mm nibs.

Sounds like a great kit! Green as it gets too I bet.

 

I'd seen those wide-nib pens, so good to learn that they aren't there just to look cute.

 

But : what's the wee 'wing-like' thing for? Some alt grip? steadying device??

-- S1

 

If you mean on the cap, I think it is cosmetic, but also prevents the pen rolling when capped. The cap screws tightly to keep drying at a minimum, but is too large to stick on the tail end of the pen.

[StephY]

Just to add that I have used Year of the Golden Pig in a Preppy as my standard highlighter for at least a year now. I've had to change the tip once, but that's after I lost the Preppy for a month or so. Otherwise it seems fine.

 

Recently I got a bottle of orange highlighting ink in Noodler's Dragon Catfish series, also in the Preppy. So far, so good.