And Show Us Your Rare Sheaffer's

[Guest PeteWK]

The 18k trim is the one that got my fingers clicking on the keyboard. Very nice. I've come across a couple 18k nibbed Imperials from France but that's about it. I've always wondered what a vacation in France would turn up in a pen shop there. It might be worth the effort.

 

PeteWK

 

ps - and now that my post is bumped up again I'll have to see what I have in the "Rare" category

[Univer]

QUOTE (ebrian @ Apr 7 2007, 09:24 PM)

QUOTE (Univer @ Aug 6 2006, 09:10 PM) 1. Oversize Jade Univer. Marked on barrel "Univer Pen Company, New York - Ft. Madison, IA U.S.A." The nib is marked "Univer 7-40 (not 7-30!), Made in U.S.A." Sheaffer sub-brands are very interesting, perhaps because the lack of documentation makes one think "What was Sheaffer Inc. thinking when they marketed this item?" The Univer 7-40 nibs are an example. How were these different that then Sheaffer 7-30 pens? I would doubt that these were higher quality than the 7-30 pens. Maybe the 7 in the Univer nib mens #7 size and the 40 something entirely different. Another example are the Univer 54 nibs. Maybe the numbers mean nothing and they were chosen because they were phonetically pleasing. Maybe someday documentation will be discovered to shed light on these issues.     http://showcase.netins.net/web/dytis/Univer54.jpg http://showcase.netins.net/web/dytis/Univer7-40.jpg Hi,   Nice photos...thanks for sharing!   If I may ask: what size is the Univer "54" pen? It looks to be a mid-size flattop.   No idea, by the way, what that designation might mean. Consistency among Univers - in nib engravings as in everything else - is a contradiction in terms.   Cheers,   Jon

Edited April 8, 2007 by Univer

[Jack125]

Here are some of my more unusual Sheaffers: Sheaffer BCHR Cutaway Demonstrator, Sheaffer Flat Top Black Cutaway Demonstrator; Sheaffer Flat Top Jade Demonstrator, Snorkel Valiant Demonstrator & Pen for Men Demonstrator.

 

Enjoy!

 

Jack

Edited July 18, 2007 by Jack125

[alfredop]

This pen is no more at my home (it needed some restoration, so I preferred to exchange it with a less problematic pen with another FPN user).

 

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w253/gennyesposito/IMGP1057.jpg

 

Genny

[penpalace]

Jack,

Those are some impressive pens, especially the cut out demos which are incredibly rare. The PFM demo is nice, one pen that I will hopefully add to my collection one of these days!

 

[kudzu]

David I - re the "uncommon Striper Autograph" that you missed by seconds in Chicago: what makes it so uncommon? I have one that looks very similar and would like to learn more. Thanks.

[sexauerw]

Here are some of my more recently acquired Targas. I'm really fond of the spirals, but the others are pretty nice too.

Edited April 10, 2007 by sexauerw

[david i]

QUOTE

David I - re the "uncommon Striper Autograph" that you missed by seconds in Chicago: what makes it so uncommon? I have one that looks very similar and would like to learn more. Thanks. -------------------- Kudzu

 

Autographs are most prevalent in Black and are- iirc- catalogued as well in the early green marble and black/pearl colors, too. TBOMK the striped pens (later colors for Balance, say 1937-41 or so) are not catalogued in Autograph. And, in practice, citing simple observation from 9 years hunting ebay and 200 days spent at 60 or so pen shows, striped pens with solid gold trim are not so common.

 

If yours is nice and you want to get rid of it... drop me a note :-)

 

david i

isaacson@frontiernet.net

[david i]

QUOTE

Here are some of my more recently acquired Targas. I'm really fond of the spirals, but the others are pretty nice too. This post has been edited by sexauerw on Apr 9 2007, 05:18 PM

 

Bill, one of dese days we done gotta do a photo shoot of dat spread.

 

david

 

[ebrian]

366 HEC - 14kt hand engraved overlay.

[Sarj]

QUOTE (ebrian @ Apr 11 2007, 03:05 PM)

366 HEC - 14kt hand engraved overlay.

Very nice indeed.

I have one of those (not quite as nice as yours by the looks of it).

However, it looks good paired up with the earlier Filigree hand engraved overlay.

 

Handsome and elegant !

[david i]

Well, if ebrian has nice price on the solid gold or sarj on the scroll/filigree, drop me note at isaacson@frontiernet.net

 

Probably buy both :-)

 

d

 

[david i]

 

Just picked up a sweet vintage Sheaffer Balance set. Non-lifetime (non-White Dot) Ladies set in desirable Carmine Red. Ahhhh, but the cap-band. This one features a recognized, uncatalogued and not-often seen Fishscale band. After learning of this cap-band probably 3-4 years ago, i've managed to acquire just a handful of pens so trimmed.

 

 

This set also illustrates some of the charms of hunting pens by one of the largest manufacturers from the 1930's-- the chance to find small run stuff.

 

For those who have the compulsive desire to collect pens in a "completest" fashion, weird cap-bands offer nice opportunity. By hunting only a select set pens with off-the-beaten-path trim, one limits his purchase needs greatly. Each pen no doubt will cost more (barring great luck) than a catalogued variant, but one can hunt aggressively for 5 years and be lucky to track down 20 pens.

 

Here is that carmine set. No, not for sale.

 

http://www.removed.xyz/penteech/sheafferbalanceredfishscale50per.jpg

 

regards

david i

http://www.removed.xyz

[Guest PeteWK]

Well, I did finally come across one of the harder to find PFM's. This is the model VI Autograph with 14k cap band. Nice working condition from eBay. Got it for a song. I'm still trying to figure that one out. From our friends at the North American Life and Casualty insurance company.

 

PeteWK

[Guest PeteWK]

And the hallmark.

[kirchh]

QUOTE (PeteWK @ Apr 15 2007, 08:17 PM)

Well, I did finally come across one of the harder to find PFM's.  This is the model VI Autograph with 14k cap band.

I do not know of the PFM Autograph being designated as the "PFM VI". Do you have a source for that label?

 

--Daniel

[Guest PeteWK]

QUOTE (kirchh @ Apr 16 2007, 12:26 AM)

QUOTE (PeteWK @ Apr 15 2007, 08:17 PM) Well, I did finally come across one of the harder to find PFM's.  This is the model VI Autograph with 14k cap band. I do not know of the PFM Autograph being designated as the "PFM VI". Do you have a source for that label?   --Daniel Just my own designation. Kind of like you calling the "Large Size" Balance an Oversize (or me calling it a Senior) even though Sheaffer didn't.   Pen Hero lists the commonly accepted models as:   "The PFM came in five principal models, varying by cap and trim color:   PFM I - Single color plastic cap and barrel, polished stainless steel clip and cap band, and palladium silver nib. The PFM I is the only model without the White Dot. PFM II - Frosted stainless steel cap and plastic barrel, polished stainless steel clip and cap band, and palladium silver nib. PFM III - Single color plastic cap and barrel, gold filled clip and cap band, and 14kt gold nib. PFM IV - Stainless steel cap and plastic barrel, gold filled clip and plunger cap end plate, and 14kt gold nib. PFM V - Gold plated cap and plastic barrel, gold filled clip and plunger cap end plate, and 14kt gold nib.   In addition, Sheaffer made a variant of the PFM III called the Autograph, following in the decades tradition of producing pens with 14 karat gold cap bands suitable for engraving. Autographs are very uncommon and command a significantly higher price than the PFM III.   Autograph - Black plastic cap and barrel, gold filled clip and plunger cap end plate, and 14 karat gold cap band, and 14kt gold nib.   As with the Thin Model Snorkel line, Sheaffer made demonstrators similar to the PFM III to show the inner workings of the complex Snorkel filling system. Demonstrators are rare and sell at a premium."       The Autograph is the 6th one. The Romans would call it VI.

[david i]

Not sure i'd consider the Auto to be a variant of the three. It shares with the three a cap band on plastic (shares that with the One also). Shares with the four and five the bottom plate.

 

It is its own pen :-)

 

d

 

[kirchh]

QUOTE (PeteWK @ Apr 15 2007, 09:08 PM)

QUOTE (kirchh @ Apr 16 2007, 12:26 AM) QUOTE (PeteWK @ Apr 15 2007, 08:17 PM) Well, I did finally come across one of the harder to find PFM's.  This is the model VI Autograph with 14k cap band. I do not know of the PFM Autograph being designated as the "PFM VI". Do you have a source for that label?   --Daniel Just my own designation. Kind of like you calling the "Large Size" Balance an Oversize (or me calling it a Senior) even though Sheaffer didn't. I'm concerned that unknowing collectors will infer from this usage that "PFM VI" is in the same class as, say, PFM V -- that is, a Sheaffer designation for that model. This can produce confusion and mixes official labels with invented-after-the-fact ones indistinguishably. So I encourage clarification up front when using private nomenclature.   Note that Sheaffer did use the term 'Oversize' for the largest size Balance. It is rare that one can unqualifiedly declare that a particular maker did not do something, as this instance demonstrates.   --Daniel

[Guest PeteWK]

To David's comment, I don't consider the Autograph a variant of the III, that's part of the quote from Jim Mamoulides' website. As for Daniel's comment about confusion among collectors, Richard Binder's website lists the VI, VII and VIII as follows:

 

PFM VI Gold-filled cap and barrel, 14K gold nib[1]

 

PFM VII Plastic barrel, 14K gold cap, 14K gold nib[1]

 

PFM VIII (Masterpiece) 14K gold cap and barrel, 14K gold nib[2]

 

He then offers notes 1 and 2 explaining the rather thin ice each pen model number rests on, the VIII almost certainly being a jeweler's pen and none of the three actually being known to exist as a Sheaffer model. And yet there they are in books listed by Richard. At least when I call the Autograph a model VI we all know it exists and really is the sixth model of pen. It don't get much better than that.

 

PeteWK