Pelikan M200

[Nikhil]

Really, you really hate Noodler's that much

[opus7600]

Actually, high quality resins do have a distinguishing red tint to them that sets then apart from cheaper resin pens. Take one of your more expensive resin pens and cheap resin pens and put them up to the light. I guarantee the more expensive one will be the only one out of the two with a red tint. As for what you commented about Noodler's Ink, yes you're right, but based on there Baystate Ink's bad reviews, I wouldn't want to risk any of their ink types on any of my pens unless their cheap and I can live without them.

 

Seriously, what the hell? Are you just trolling here? Is that the deal? Whatever.

[mkkm19912002]

Opus7600 said "'Seriously, what the hell? Are you just trolling here? Is that the deal? Whatever'"

 

 

 

No, I am just stating a fact.

Edited October 24, 2009 by mkkm19912002

[opus7600]

No, I am just stating a fact.

 

Okay, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm reluctant to continue getting this thread out of its original theme, but I know deep in my heart that arguing on the internet is the right thing to do.

I think your points are something like this:

1) Pelikan and Mont Blanc Pens have the same tint, so are made of similar resin.

2) High quality resin has a red tint.

3) All Noodler's ink is evil because you have read some bad reviews for Baystate-type inks.

4) All Noodler's ink is evil because it stains nibs.

5) All Noodler's ink is evil because it corrodes feeds.

 

Let's take a look at these:

1) Water and Sulfuric acid look the same, too. There are so many properties beyond how something looks that determines what it is. Density, hardness, malleability, ductability, melting point, reactivity, conductivity, and any others I missed. Unless you've got some other information about where Mont Blanc and Pelikan are sourcing their resin, you're making an unsupported assumption. Note that I'm *not* saying they're *not* "high quality" resins, whatever you've defined that to be. Nor am I certain they *aren't* identical. I just think maybe you'd need better evidence than "they both look red".

 

2) Acrylic resin is clear by nature. Any color you see in your pens is there because of dyes and pigments. What you're asserting is just as foolish as it would be for me to take a pint of vanilla ice cream and a pint of sour cream, put five drops of blue food coloring in them, and then tell you they're both gonna taste great because they're both the same shade of blue.

 

3) You've taken one data point and extrapolated beyond the point where it is meaningful. Noodler's is a single company that makes many different products. Think of the Clorox company as an analogy. They make Clorox bleach, and they also happen to make Burt's Bees facial cleanser. I'm well aware that bleach and my face don't work well together, so I don't use bleach during my morning shower. Burt's Bees, however, works just fine, so I use that despite the fact that it comes from a company which makes a product I know to be harmful to my face. Baystate inks are known to have issues with a small number of pens, and Mr. Tardiff has spoken on the topic elsewhere. Most of their other inks work flawlessly for most other users. I know as well as you do that the plural of anecdote isn't "data", but I believe if you read through the ink reviews forum, you will find many satisfied users of many Noodler's inks.

 

4) If you're having nib staining problems, maybe you should check out this thread. Gold is very difficult to stain permanently. I'm confident that with a little TLC you'll have your "stained" nibs back to looking new.

 

5) If you have evidence of this happening with a non-Baystate Noodler's ink, I know I would be very interested in hearing about it, as would many other users of Noodler's. It would be great if you could provide some pictures of the corroded feed and details on what inks were used with it, so we can all avoid the same fate.

[mkkm19912002]

Thank you, I get it now. I was just getting all this negative feedback on Noodler's Ink so naturallly I had to assume it was dangerous.

[Flourish]

One of the true workhorses of the fountain pen world and they are so much more exciting to write with when they're demonstrators. And I do so love customizing the 14k M250 nibs to go in them.

[contaxrts2]

Hi, great review. M200 is really a bargain, great writers. you can costumize them with the gold nibs of M 250 or M 400., if you want, but no need for that. The steel nibs of M200 ist great ,too.

[MYU]

Thank you, I get it now. I was just getting all this negative feedback on Noodler's Ink so naturallly I had to assume it was dangerous.

Never assume anything of that magnitude. Don't bash a brand without having tried it, just banking on the word-of-mouth from others. It's called being part of the rumor mill. Noodler's makes some excellent inks. They're not for everybody. Often where people go wrong is that they don't understand the nature of the ink chosen and put it to use incorrectly. Worst of all, letting BayState Blue dry out in a pen (that is just asking for trouble).

 

 

By the way, you never stated the nib size. It's very hard to relate to the qualities of the nib you speak of without at least knowing the size...

Edited December 10, 2009 by MYU

[Randal6393]

Thank you, I get it now. I was just getting all this negative feedback on Noodler's Ink so naturallly I had to assume it was dangerous.

 

Will reiterate MYU's statement: Unless you have personal knowledge of FACTS (or a great deal or CORROBORATED DATA), it is best to refrain from bashing a brand. Even then, give yourself a bit of wiggle room whenever possible.

 

From personal knowledge, I have used Noodler inks -- including Baystate Blue -- in two M200 fountain pens for over a year now. No stains, no extra wear, just lovely blue and green writing. Was looking for a red M200 -- until I found a lovely Aurora Style Paprika. That pen also loves Noodler inks.

 

But am pleased to see that you enjoy Pelikan M200s. They are lovely little fountain pens and may convince me to try an M400 -- the reputed softness of the gold nib is making me curious.

 

Enjoy

[BobME]

I am posting just to warm you of what is coming!

 

I bought an m200 about three to four months ago and now I have a m400 coming in the mail. Pelikan pens are beautiful and great writers, but it is well documented that they come in flocks. Guard yourself or your house will be invested with birds.

Edited December 12, 2009 by BobME

[breaker]

nice review