Demonstrators are beautiful...

[brianw06]

I have some Hero demonstrators which, though cheap, are also pretty cool. Maybe I'll look into the Dollar!^^

 

Dollars are great writers. for 10.00 you can hardly go wrong

[Aissa2]

Dollar pens are $15.00 plus shipping.

 

[TheHOINK]

I just read a "quote / saying" about this behaviour from Muhammad Ali ^_^

 

"People dislike wisecracks and loudmouths, but they will always listen to them anyway."

 

Sorry, I am a wisecrack myself, so I know this behaviour and just had to make that quote ^_^

 

Never mind, I did mean no harm.

[Chthulhu]

Dollar pens are $15.00 plus shipping.

 

US$10 from Swisher. :-)

[Aissa2]

 

Now I will say that is a great looking pen, but I don't know that I'd call it a demonstrator. You can't see all the inner working of the pen just the ink chamber.

 

Your statement leads into another topic, what do we say or can we agree on that would define a true Demonstrator?I would say that any pen that you are able to see the inner workings, could be the ink or the inside of it or any part of it. What do others believe constitute a true Demonstrator? Listening and Looknig anxiously for your opinions....

Edited August 19, 2009 by Aissa2

[Chthulhu]

Wel, a *true* demonstrator is a special version of a normally non-transparent pen, meant specifically to demonstrate the internal bits of the pen that are normally not visible; that is, I think, the historical definition. Strictly speaking, a pen that was simply designed to be transparent, such as the aforementioned Dollar pen, would *not* be a demonstrator, nor would one such as the beautiful Edison with a just clear area to show the ink.

 

Maybe we need new terms for the pseudo-demonstrators and ink-view pens ... ?

[Bearcat]

Demonstrators? Yeeeeeeeeah... not so much.

 

 

Beautiful? Vintage marble celluloid is beautiful.......Transparent plastic is just...well.....plastic...ugh!

[kushbaby]

Please see my previous post regarding my opinion. To elaborate, I personally think if you can see the mechanism of how the pen fills with ink, then it "demonstrates" the mechanism, and is therefore a demonstrator. The clear bit of the Edison shows how the air is forced out the breather tube and then the ink comes in after each compression of the bulb, as well as how many bulb compressions are required to fill the pen. I actually didn't fully "get" how bulb fillers worked (and why I had to pump/squeeze one so many times!) until I saw this, which is perhaps why it's hard for me to understand why some folks think it doesn't "show" anything. (I don't take apart and repair pens, at least not yet. Maybe I'm just stupid.) There are some pens called demonstrators (esp. some of the Pelikans) that are "transparent", but so dark in a given color (harder to see the filling method/mechanism) that it's hard to see how the name still applies... (Though I love my Blue Ocean.)

 

Edit: This is also not just a pen designed to be clear, it's a version of an opaque pen offered by Edison pens, a Pearl bulb-filler. So it meets that criterion as well.

 

I should point out that I am just expressing an opinion for the sake of discussion. It doesn't hurt my feelings if someone doesn't think my pen is a true demonstrator (though I reserve the right to disagree). Doesn't actually matter to me what a pen's called by anyone else, as long as it's neat/attractive and writes well.

 

I do think there are degrees of demonstrators, though. In honor of this discussion, I took my Pelikan M800 clear etched demonstrator to work today (geez, I really love this pen!). All parts completely clear (except trim), and wow - LABELED parts? That's about as "demonstrator" as it gets.

Edited August 19, 2009 by kushbaby

[LDB415]

I like demonstrators myself. I hope to start accumulating them one day.

[ZeissIkon]

Wel, a *true* demonstrator is a special version of a normally non-transparent pen, meant specifically to demonstrate the internal bits of the pen that are normally not visible; that is, I think, the historical definition. Strictly speaking, a pen that was simply designed to be transparent, such as the aforementioned Dollar pen, would *not* be a demonstrator, nor would one such as the beautiful Edison with a just clear area to show the ink.

 

Maybe we need new terms for the pseudo-demonstrators and ink-view pens ... ?

 

The original Dollar 717i has solid color body, cap, and blind cap, with only the ink window transparent (that's the kind I have). The Dollar 717i Demonstrator is a true demonstrator -- it "demonstrates" the operation of the piston mechanism and shows the inner cap and clip attachment (though the section is opaque, all you'd be able to see in there is ink anyway).

[Chthulhu]

The original Dollar 717i has solid color body, cap, and blind cap, with only the ink window transparent (that's the kind I have). The Dollar 717i Demonstrator is a true demonstrator -- it "demonstrates" the operation of the piston mechanism and shows the inner cap and clip attachment (though the section is opaque, all you'd be able to see in there is ink anyway).

 

I will contend that if the model was mass-produced with visible workings, it's not a true demonstrator by the historical definition. It also wouldn't be available in a variety of trim colors. :-)

 

That is not to say that it doesn't *function* as a demonstrator, in that it does very nicely demonstrate those inner workings, only that the original demonstrators were not mass-produced, but were only made in small quantities for the sole purpose of demonstrating the inner workings of normal production, non-transparent pens.

[ZeissIkon]

The original Dollar 717i has solid color body, cap, and blind cap, with only the ink window transparent (that's the kind I have). The Dollar 717i Demonstrator is a true demonstrator -- it "demonstrates" the operation of the piston mechanism and shows the inner cap and clip attachment (though the section is opaque, all you'd be able to see in there is ink anyway).

 

I will contend that if the model was mass-produced with visible workings, it's not a true demonstrator by the historical definition. It also wouldn't be available in a variety of trim colors. :-)

 

That is not to say that it doesn't *function* as a demonstrator, in that it does very nicely demonstrate those inner workings, only that the original demonstrators were not mass-produced, but were only made in small quantities for the sole purpose of demonstrating the inner workings of normal production, non-transparent pens.

 

Gotcha. By your definition, then, any "true" demonstrator is also a relative rarity -- at most, each company rep/salesperson who called on retailers would have had one of each leading pen model, so only a few dozen to a few hundred of each model would have been needed (and most of those were probably retrieved and destroyed by the manufacturer when the model was discontinued).

[Chthulhu]

Gotcha. By your definition, then, any "true" demonstrator is also a relative rarity -- at most, each company rep/salesperson who called on retailers would have had one of each leading pen model, so only a few dozen to a few hundred of each model would have been needed (and most of those were probably retrieved and destroyed by the manufacturer when the model was discontinued).

 

Precisely. :-)

[Aissa2]

I just read a "quote / saying" about this behaviour from Muhammad Ali ^_^

 

"People dislike wisecracks and loudmouths, but they will always listen to them anyway."

 

Sorry, I am a wisecrack myself, so I know this behaviour and just had to make that quote ^_^

 

Never mind, I did mean no harm.

 

Thank you. I think sometimes more of us comes through than we know. I know that it is true with me. Sometimes we can handle ourselves, but w/o knowing so, we are not sure whether others are understanding that we may be those who love using the little emoticons (?) We may be long-winded, too direct, have a wicked sense of humor. We lack the luxury of being able to look in one another's eyes and think...Oh, he or she is just kidding. That is just the way they are.... On the other hand, it might be working for us and why should we wear an additional mask in a place that engages our passion and joy of a hobby. So, thank you. I am also a wisecrack and mean very little harm either. I just think and being a poet/writer if more of who we are does not come out in a place like this, where do we put it, store it, exhibit it and let our hair down and be as much ourselves as possible. From one wise crack to another...

[Aissa2]

Dollar pens are $15.00 plus shipping.

 

US$10 from Swisher. :-)

Hmmmm!

Don't tempt me, I have purchased FAR too many pens in the last couple of months now and I am starting to fill up and carry around too many pen wraps and rolls. I would like an additional blue one or another..... :bonk: :bonk:

Edited August 20, 2009 by Aissa2

[Aissa2]

http://www.nibs.com/www/WEBSITE%20PICS/Aurora/OptimaDemonstratorRed_UnCapped.jpg

 

love this one directly above, what do you know about it?

 

That would be the Aurora Optima Demonstrator (available in red or clear "accents"). Rather pricey - ($600 - 700 range!) as the Optima Demonstrators are limited editions.

 

DARN! Of course I would be attracted to a pen the same cost as my rent. Let's see remain in doors vs. buying this beauty.. :hmm1:

Just joking

[Aissa2]

Please see my previous post regarding my opinion. To elaborate, I personally think if you can see the mechanism of how the pen fills with ink, then it "demonstrates" the mechanism, and is therefore a demonstrator. The clear bit of the Edison shows how the air is forced out the breather tube and then the ink comes in after each compression of the bulb, as well as how many bulb compressions are required to fill the pen. I actually didn't fully "get" how bulb fillers worked (and why I had to pump/squeeze one so many times!) until I saw this, which is perhaps why it's hard for me to understand why some folks think it doesn't "show" anything. (I don't take apart and repair pens, at least not yet. Maybe I'm just stupid.) There are some pens called demonstrators (esp. some of the Pelikans) that are "transparent", but so dark in a given color (harder to see the filling method/mechanism) that it's hard to see how the name still applies... (Though I love my Blue Ocean.)

 

Edit: This is also not just a pen designed to be clear, it's a version of an opaque pen offered by Edison pens, a Pearl bulb-filler. So it meets that criterion as well.

 

I should point out that I am just expressing an opinion for the sake of discussion. It doesn't hurt my feelings if someone doesn't think my pen is a true demonstrator (though I reserve the right to disagree). Doesn't actually matter to me what a pen's called by anyone else, as long as it's neat/attractive and writes well.

 

I do think there are degrees of demonstrators, though. In honor of this discussion, I took my Pelikan M800 clear etched demonstrator to work today (geez, I really love this pen!). All parts completely clear (except trim), and wow - LABELED parts? That's about as "demonstrator" as it gets.

 

I have seen the Pelikan Demonstrator and honestly, I have drooled over buying one. However, you know what is on my list...the ocean blue demonstrator. I just love (don't like blue) that color of the demonstrator series. Now, if only they offered a red, I would be in HEAVEN.

[Chthulhu]

Not a "true demonstrator" but I'm drooling ...

 

http://www.nakaya.org/skeleton.html

[mikerph]

I have both the small steel nibbed Visconti Van Gogh and the larger gold nibbed version in the clear "demonstrator" finish. They are both cartridge pens; the small one has no congertor and uses one of the european style mini cartridges. The larger model uses a convertor or can hold 2 of the cartridges back-to-back. Both write well-- the steel nib being understandably stiffer and less flexible. Both are wet writers that start immediately even after sitting for some time.

[johnnyies]

Have always liked this one:

 

http://www.melpens.com/ebay/items/205_Demo_FP_1s.jpg

Edited August 21, 2009 by johnnyies