sailor naginata togi nib

[Dutchpen]

i'm thinking of buying a sailor 1911 sterling silver naginaata togi but i don't know which nib to get.

i can choose between medium/fine, Medium and Broad.

 

i'm writing with a mb 149 with a fine nib now.

i've heard that sailor nibs runs finer than european nibs (pelikan, parker, waterman ect.).

does naginata togi nibs also run finer than other nibs?

 

is the medium fine the best option?

 

does someone has a wtriting example of a medium fine sailor nib?

 

 

thanks

 

 

Lennard

[pixwriter]

Definitely the MF. There are some threads on the Japanese pen forum and possibly some samples of handwriting.

In some ways though, these samples are less helpful than you might think as it is so dependent on exactly how you hold the pen. I could provide samples that look every width from F to BB. (Add XF if you write inverted)

I found my MF almost uncontrollably broad at first but now it writes beautifully.

If I write at a high angle then it is quite fine, certainly as fine as a European F. Writing like this sounds difficult to some people who say they can't change the angle to get line variation, but essentially writing with the nib like this just means using it exactly as you would a rotring rapidograph or a needlepoint gel pen.

Writing at a lower angle will produce line variation in normal writing particularly if you play around with the exact angle of the nib to the paper. Its a matter of experimenting. I am left-handed so details may not be too helpful.

Maybe the best way to describe the togi nib is to think of a pencil that has been used a bit since it was sharpened, so that you get lots of different useable surfaces. Of course with a pencil these are all temporary as you carry on wearing it into different shapes as you use it. The point is we all know how to exploit the variations according to what we want to do with the pencil. A naginata togi nib has lots of different sweet spots. Unlike the pencil they don't wear away and so you can learn to exploit them all, with practice.

[playpen]

I just bought a Sailor 1911 with the Cross Emperor nib which allows you to write a range of line widths from very fine to very broad.

 

I love a fine line too but quite by accident, I was lucky enough to snag one of Kevin's Mae Wests this past spring and it came with a Broad nib. It is so totally fantastic that I chose the Cross Emperor instead of a Togi. I cannot tell you how much fun I have had with the Emperor. I wish I had zillions of dollars so that I could buy one for everyone.

[Siv]

Don't get a broad. I think the magic of a togi really only come to play with a M-F. The broad I have is not that great - it doesn't get good ink flow and the line variation is from thick to even thicker which is not really that useful for me.

[Shinchan]

i'm thinking of buying a sailor 1911 sterling silver naginaata togi but i don't know which nib to get.

i can choose between medium/fine, Medium and Broad.

 

i'm writing with a mb 149 with a fine nib now.

i've heard that sailor nibs runs finer than european nibs (pelikan, parker, waterman ect.).

does naginata togi nibs also run finer than other nibs?

 

is the medium fine the best option?

 

does someone has a wtriting example of a medium fine sailor nib?

 

 

thanks

 

 

Lennard

 

Hi Lennard,

 

indulge yourself

 

 

Go for it...you won't regret getting the pen!!! :roflmho:

 

 

[Shinchan]

I just bought a Sailor 1911 with the Cross Emperor nib which allows you to write a range of line widths from very fine to very broad.

 

I love a fine line too but quite by accident, I was lucky enough to snag one of Kevin's Mae Wests this past spring and it came with a Broad nib. It is so totally fantastic that I chose the Cross Emperor instead of a Togi. I cannot tell you how much fun I have had with the Emperor. I wish I had zillions of dollars so that I could buy one for everyone.

 

How generous of you :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: Mind sharing the writing sample of your Cross Emperor? I myself am waiting impatiently for my Concord Cross Emperor PG to be shipped to me

[gyasko]

Don't get a broad. I think the magic of a togi really only come to play with a M-F. The broad I have is not that great - it doesn't get good ink flow and the line variation is from thick to even thicker which is not really that useful for me.

 

I really disagree with this.

 

I love my broad togi nib. It's one of the best nibs i have ever put to paper. The ink flow is great, and if a fine line is necessary, the togi can be flipped over like a Parker 180. To be sure, it's not a nib for needlepoint fans, but why would a needlepoint afficiondo even consider a broad?

 

[Dr.Grace]

Pixwriter is absolutely right. I'd also suggest the MF. I normally like Western M nibs, and I found the Naginata Togi M to be too broad. My MF writes between an MF and BB line, depending on the steepness of the pen hold.

[gyasko]

Pixwriter is absolutely right. I'd also suggest the MF. I normally like Western M nibs, and I found the Naginata Togi M to be too broad. My MF writes between an MF and BB line, depending on the steepness of the pen hold.

 

There is no absolutely right here. If a person likes fine nibs, well, the finer togi is a better choice. If someone likes broader nibs, the broad is better. It also bears mentioning that the togi is not a typical Japanese nib, and the expectation that it will run narrow will probably meet with disappointment -- or discovery.

[Siv]

I really disagree with this.

 

I love my broad togi nib. It's one of the best nibs i have ever put to paper. The ink flow is great, and if a fine line is necessary, the togi can be flipped over like a Parker 180. To be sure, it's not a nib for needlepoint fans, but why would a needlepoint afficiondo even consider a broad?

 

It's a very valid point - just because I have had poor experiences with mine, doesn't mean that it's the norm. Of course, everything we read here are individual experiences and should be taken as such!

[Dr.Grace]

Pixwriter is absolutely right. I'd also suggest the MF. I normally like Western M nibs, and I found the Naginata Togi M to be too broad. My MF writes between an MF and BB line, depending on the steepness of the pen hold.

 

There is no absolutely right here. If a person likes fine nibs, well, the finer togi is a better choice. If someone likes broader nibs, the broad is better. It also bears mentioning that the togi is not a typical Japanese nib, and the expectation that it will run narrow will probably meet with disappointment -- or discovery.

 

Well, the OP is using a Western fine now. He was expecting the NT, as an Asian nib, to be finer, which is a pretty reasonable expectation for anyone who doesn't know that the NT is unlike any other Asian nib in this respect. I doubt anyone would find the NT-B to be anything close to a Western fine, let alone an Asian fine.

[Dutchpen]

 

Hi Lennard,

 

indulge yourself

 

 

Go for it...you won't regret getting the pen!!! :roflmho:

 

 

Thanks , that looks very nice.

 

it looks like a medium line compared with other brands.

 

The pen is already ordered with a meduim fine nib, i hope it writes very smooth.

 

 

 

Lennard

[zenshrink]

A word of caution: Togi's and Cross Emperors are very hard to master and you really have to angle the pen, sometimes uncomfortably.

[Shinchan]

A word of caution: Togi's and Cross Emperors are very hard to master and you really have to angle the pen, sometimes uncomfortably.

 

I don't agree. I have no issues handling my togi at any angles, it starts no matter at which angle you use it.

[Dutchpen]

Thank you all,

 

It was all very helpfull, i've tried 2 naginata togi pens (nibs).

My sailor 1911 sterling silver naginata togi will be delivered at the end of august, it will come with a F-M nib.

 

 

 

Lennard

[professionaldilettante]

This is very reassuring. Thanks. I'm waiting for a 1911 with a NMF nib, and by the sound of things here, I won't be disappointed.

[tanalasta]

No you won't be... and I see you have a lovely stirling silver Sailor 1911 in your signature.

 

I have a full sized Professional Gear N-MF and it runs wider than my MB 149 and 146 EF.

 

The naginata togi nibs do not run finer than the Western nibs and the specific grind/shape of the tipping is such that there is mild (not that much) line variation with vertical writing angle, predominantly for writing kanji. However, I find it to be a superb nib for my handwriting (read: I wouldn't know where to start writing chinese) and the nib is a juicy, lovely line. I am craving up inking my Sailor 1911 again!

 

The standard nibs, designated H-x (e.g. H-F for a fine) are definitely Japanese nib widths and finer than Western styled nibs.

[twoboxingfiend]

I'm still taming this pen. When I write at normal position, it's a nice smooth medium nib. At almost verticle it's a smooth fine. I need to find a nice dry ink as well, on the rhodia pad I was scrawling, I can't get a finer line at normal position since the ink flows so nicely.

[Dr.Grace]

That's a really nice example of what the N-MF can do.

[TDL]

I'm still taming this pen. When I write at normal position, it's a nice smooth medium nib. At almost verticle it's a smooth fine. I need to find a nice dry ink as well, on the rhodia pad I was scrawling, I can't get a finer line at normal position since the ink flows so nicely.

 

That's exactly where I am with my Sailor Maya with the NMF nib. I am still working out just what it can do and how to get it to do it. 'Variety' does not sum up all the way these nibs can perform.