pictures of new lamy dialog 3

[Nikhil]

i think 150-200 is a better price. i am not really sure if i like it, but am looking forward to the release date and ur review

[Nikhil]

i think 150-200 is a better price. i am not really sure if i like it, but am looking forward to the release date and ur review

 

[Gandalfandula]

interesting pen. i'd definitely need to see it in person before i bought it, and i doubt i could ever be convinced to spend $300 on it. after dealer price adjustments (that $300 is msrp -- keep in mind the 2000 has an msrp of $160 [according to art brown], and the 2000 can be bought any day of the week on the internet for under $90) and a little time on the market, it will probably be squarely in the mid to upper 100s. still, not an inexpensive pen. the mechanism will have to impress -- the nib will probably be unchanged.

Edited June 20, 2009 by Gandalfandula

[HenryLouis]

I think it honestly wouldn't be that hard to incorporate a retractable function on a 2000-esque body. The nib can be taken out already easily, with a sliding motion. So turn it into a C/C filler, and change the body up a bit.

 

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/280831105_90ff5dddf1.jpg

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Henrylouis16/IMG_2372.jpg

Edited June 22, 2009 by HenryLouis

[Silvermink]

Exactly my point, David. Again, I am still scratching my head trying to figure out how a twist retractable nib does not exist in the market yet when clearly they do. Yet Lamy's ad hyperbole suggests a twist mechanism is somehow new technology or innovative.

Well, either that or they just don't think Italian pens matter.

 

Or Japanese pens (Fermo), for that matter.

 

[HenryLouis]

It's hard to see by the pics but the clip will retract into the barrel. I saw the brochure in a local B&M. I think that is what they mean by no pen like it. There is no pen with a retractable nib and clip at the same time. The retracting clip will also act as a warning so if you forget to retract the nib it won't clip on your shirt, reminding you to put the nib back in. I also strongly believe this pen is supposed to act as Lamy's replacement for the Persona, which I believe had an asking price of somewhere near $300, like this pen. It is not the replacement for the 2000.

Edited June 30, 2009 by HenryLouis

[amateriat]

It's hard to see by the pics but the clip will retract into the barrel. I saw the brochure in a local B&M. I think that is what they mean by no pen like it. There is no pen with a retractable nib and clip at the same time. The retracting clip will also act as a warning so if you forget to retract the nib it won't clip on your shirt, reminding you to put the nib back in. I also strongly believe this pen is supposed to act as Lamy's replacement for the Persona, which I believe had an asking price of somewhere near $300, like this pen. It is not the replacement for the 2000.

You're probably right: The 2000 FP, along with the rest of the 2000 series, is a "signature" pen unto itself (and deserved so, IMO, production hiccups notwithstanding). The Persona was a Lamy "marquee" model of sorts; I have one, and love how it writes, but I wish it was piston-fill instead of cart/converter (I use the latter, of course).

 

Again, I'm withholding judgement on the new model till I can wrap my fingers around one.

 

 

- Barrett

 

 

[kmpn]

several pictures are shown on the September 2009 issue of a Japanese magazine Real Design,

 

size comparing with a Lamy 2000,

http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n9/kmpn/pen/lamy/dialog3/46628c95.jpg

 

how to fill ?

http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n9/kmpn/pen/lamy/dialog3/ccf12197.jpg

 

[bardharlock]

Man, that section is thick

[amateriat]

And, of course, we can now confirm that it's a cartridge/converter system.

 

I'd still like to see one, and see how it writes vis-a-vis my Persona (also a c/c system). No, I wouldn't pay $300 for it. (Now that I think of it, I didn't pay anywhere near $375 for my Persona, either.)

 

And, that nib looks quite different, now. I like it better now.

 

Edit: The fact that the clip retracts into the barrel addresses the one thing I've never liked about the VP, making the pen all the more interesting to me. However, thinking about using this with a converter...it'll have to be refilled more often (my Persona and Parker Sonnet hit the bottle a good deal more often than either my 2000 or 99, both piston-fill), and, since it looks like refilling is a two-stage job with the new Retractable, more of a PITA.

 

Still, I want to try one.

 

 

- Barrett

Edited July 21, 2009 by amateriat

[supenguin]

That actually looks like a good, comfortable size to use to me. Kind of glad - it looks like it will use standard Lamy cartridges & converters and not some tiny version like the Vanishing Point. I don't know if it being a twist vs. click to retract/extend the nib may take away from the convenience of the VP. Also - for the price I will definitely have to try it first. Hopefully someone at the Ohio Pen Show will have one available.

[Geoff V]

Exactly. For instance, we Aussies pay AUD 335 for a Lamy 2000. In the US, it's around USD 120 [and many sell for less]. Yet, 1 AUD ~= 0.80 USD. Go figure.

 

335 bucks for a 2000? Man, you guys are getting robbed.

 

The answer is probably lies in the relative size of the markets. Manufacturers usually offer a discount for customers who order larger numbers of products. The potential market in the US is probably equal to the entire populations of Australia or Canada. Thus, the US agent will order pens in the numbers that they think will sell in their market, while the people in Canada and Oz do likewise. Guess who's going to get the best prices?

[SamCapote]

My first impression was it looks like an aluminum cigar tube. I don't care how well the retraction mechanism works. I think the appearance is bad.

[Juan in Andalucia]

This is becoming a very amusing and long thread for a pen many FPNers seem to dislike.

 

First, the price: let's wait until the pen is on the shelves.

 

The bauhaus element: you either like it or not.

 

The nib: The gold nibs on the hi-end studios and other Lamys are great nibs. I have 2 Lamy Studio Palladium with EF nibs and both are awesome with perfect flow and line-width variation.

 

Regarding the VP and other retractable fps: Pilot/Namiki didn't invent the retractable nib; Omas (among others) made pens with double nibs which you could select by rotating a knob. Nihil sub sole novum.

 

Since the VP is mentioned so often in this thread, we could also talk about it. Among the cons of a VP we have weight: modern VPs are HEAVY, ink capacity (no comments here), nib widths (the Fs are way too fine and Ms too wide for me), nib performance (boring unless you have it custom grinded), finish: plain enamel, which of course is refered to as "lacquer" (the use of the term "lacquer" should be a question of debate, rather than MB's precious resin. At least MB is not lying by using its term), the clip (no comments here either).

 

So with a VP you get an overpriced pen with a ridicously tiny nib, a nib cap that will fill your pockets of dried ink, an enamel finished body which is advrtised as laquer, ridiculous ink capacity...

 

I'll wait to have one of these Lamys in my hands to have an opinion, but I like the pics I've seen.

 

Juan

[dizzypen]

So with a VP you get an overpriced pen with a ridicously tiny nib, a nib cap that will fill your pockets of dried ink, an enamel finished body which is advrtised as laquer, ridiculous ink capacity...

 

I'll wait to have one of these Lamys in my hands to have an opinion, but I like the pics I've seen.

 

Juan

 

I paid $99 for my VP so I'm not quite sure how that qualifies as "overpriced". The price of this Lamy will be 2-3 times this amount. I happen to quite love my 18k Medium nib and certainly don't consider it ridiculous. No dried ink "filling my pockets". My finish is fantastic. It helps to make the pen comfortable in hand and the pen I have is not HEAVY at all...

[Juan in Andalucia]

I paid $99 for my VP so I'm not quite sure how that qualifies as "overpriced". The price of this Lamy will be 2-3 times this amount. I happen to quite love my 18k Medium nib and certainly don't consider it ridiculous. No dried ink "filling my pockets". My finish is fantastic. It helps to make the pen comfortable in hand and the pen I have is not HEAVY at all...

 

 

You paid 99$, but that's not the retail price of a VP. The finish of your pen is a fantastic coat of enamel.

 

As for the weight, a VP in a lady's shirt pocket will make her look like Latoya Jackson.

 

Juan

[dizzypen]

You paid 99$, but that's not the retail price of a VP. The finish of your pen is a fantastic coat of enamel.

 

As for the weight, a VP in a lady's shirt pocket will make her look like Latoya Jackson.

 

Juan

 

You actually pay retail for your pens? Shame on you. I did buy my pen brand new from a retailer not an ebay seller or a seller on FPN. But this still doesn't change the fact that the retail price for the Dialog 3 is set at $300. You think this is somehow more justified than the $160 retail for the VP? The VP is half the price.

 

Why is enamel a problem? I'm missing why this is a criticism.

 

You've also lost me on the Latoya Jackson remark; however, I am a lady and don't feel the least bit weighted down by this pen.

 

ETA: The $300 retail price is not speculation. If you don't believe me you can go to swisherpens.com. They are selling this pen on pre-order. The retail price is listed as $300 with them selling it for a discounted price of $225.

Edited August 12, 2009 by dizzypen

[Mrsal]

i think this looks like a very interesting pen, and the fact that the clip retracts is a plus for me, although the VPclip doesnt bother me

[HenryLouis]

Juan,

 

What is wrong with having a small nib? It writes just the same...

 

And rotating mechanisms are superfluous.. What's the point of having the convenience of a retractable nib if you can't even open it with one hand?

Edited August 12, 2009 by HenryLouis

[Juan in Andalucia]

Well, gold nibs are made of gold, and gold is pricey. Small nib, less gold.

 

I think it's worth reading how the whole thread is evolving. We're all discussing about a pen which only a couple of people have tried and/or seen.

 

The price, shape, design... and since it wasn't available there came the VP, and then...

 

I have 2 VPs (one is old with plastic faceted body, the other is black enamel), and although they're not for me, it's no big deal.

 

Maybe I have a thick skin, or weird sense of humour or whatever, but I've never meant to offend anyone (I think I haven't though)

 

Juan