Newbie Needs Help..identity Crisis

[Jenpen]

I recently received a gift of a Waterman Ideal pen and am curious as to provenance. The nib says "WATERMAN IDEAL PARIS 18K 750 MADE IN FRANCE". The black body is imbedded with what appears to be specks of gold leaf. Attached are some amateur photos. thanks for any help. Jen

[vikrmbedi]

it is a waterman gentleman...

 

and i am not sure but i am guessing that it is not gold flecs but brass underneath the lacquer.

[Jenpen]

Could the finish be "Maki E"? i am still investigating...Jen

[vikrmbedi]

doesn't look like it...if it would have been maki it would have been a fine powder sprinkled in a pattern.

 

if it had been gold foil in lacquer(like in cross townsend jade or lapis )...it would be more properly distributed throughout the body of the pen.

[RMN]

Perhaps some of the regulars in the Waterman subforum know more about this.

 

The placements of these flecks do not suggest paint/lacquer coming off.....

 

A better focussed pic and from more directions would help also.

 

 

And,

 

 

D.ick

Edited July 3, 2013 by RMN

[SeeksAdvice]

That is odd.

 

I'm wondering if you are seeing "brassing" that's been covered up with some type of clear finish to keep it from turning green.

 

Then again, I'm not a metal expert.

[elysee]

There have been several of these listed on eBay recently. Currently, there is one Waterman Gentleman ballpoint pen listed.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Waterman-Gentleman-rare-Maki-E-lacquer-vintage-ballpoint-pen-new-in-box-MZ007-/330772951972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d039ab3a4

[RMN]

In the Waterman subforum a ballpoint just like this one is called Maki-E.

 

So apparently the effect is entended. Don't know if it is Urushilacquer, though.

 

 

D.ick

[Jenpen]

The EBay listing for the ballpoint states that the "finish has probably been made by Sailor around 1988 for Waterman and probably less than 100 pieces have been made" Can someone help me research "sailor" to see what else I can learn ...Is Sailor a person or another pen company and how can I learn more about him or it??..thanks to all...I am enjoying this mystery...Jen

[RMN]

Sailor is a renowned Japanese pen manufacturer that is famous for Urushi lacquer pens an special developed nibs in high gold content. See the Japanese sub-forum.

 

D.ick

[OcalaFlGuy]

Shoot those pics to Mike Masuyama and tell him you suspect a collaboration with Sailor. Ask him if he knows anything

about them.

 

That's what I'D Do.

 

[EDIT] Just for grins and giggles shoot the same to Bob Speer (Speerbob).

 

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

Edited July 5, 2013 by OcalaFlGuy

[PatientType]

The Waterman Gentleman is a nice pen to write with but has a seventies style & slimness to it. I had one and mine had developed corrosion in some of the metal connections somewhere along the way. Fountain pens can get wet and, apparently, these are not fabricated with componants that are ideally suited to that condition.

[Jenpen]

How do i reach mike masuyama and bob speer (speerbob)???...obviously, i am a newbie ...thanks, Jen

[Nick T]

Click on "members" at the top of the page and do a search on those names. Hope that helps.

[RMN]

Or do a Google on Speerbob and Mikeitwork (Mike Masuyama's business name)

 

 

D.ick