Re-Sacing Waterman Jif Masterpiece

[terim]

We have two brand new Waterman "Masterpiece" pens which we are trying to restore. Both have the attached aerometric "flag" filling systems.

 

http://www.peytonstreet.com/pens/waterman/jif_converter.jpg

 

We need to replace the sac inside the "flag" filling system, but we can't get the metal cover off. We've gone thru the usual bag of tricks -- insinuating a thin shim between plastic and metal, heat and Syd's formula (didn't seem much point in soaking since it had never been inked).

 

Has anyone had experience re-sacing these? Failing that, does anyone have a recommendation for getting the sac cover off?

 

Thanks!

TERI

 

[Left FPN]

I have seen this model and other similar models appear over on the Waterman Forum with the same problem and much the same result...its virtually impossible to remove the 'converter'. Even brute force seems to have little affect on the adhesive used.

 

I suspect you are trying to carry out the repair to sell the pens so this is not of much help. On a No 3, I cut the steel tube and bonded on a sac.

 

One has to roll up the sac, dunk the nib into ink, then release the sac.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[terim]

I have seen this model and other similar models appear over on the Waterman Forum with the same problem and much the same result...its virtually impossible to remove the 'converter'. Even brute force seems to have little affect on the adhesive used.

 

I suspect you are trying to carry out the repair to sell the pens so this is not of much help. On a No 3, I cut the steel tube and bonded on a sac.

 

One has to roll up the sac, dunk the nib into ink, then release the sac.

 

DSC_6126.JPG

 

Thanks for the info. It's good to know that normal tactics will not be productive. The type of glue used sure seems like overkill......

[Ernst Bitterman]

I've got one that I got the housing off of intact; the bit that fits over the nipple still refuses to budge, but with some soaking and careful tugging it is... sometimes possible to resac it. I didn't know it wasn't a converter at that point.

 

If I remember correctly, it was soak, heat, tug (get close the threads), soak, heat, tug, naphtha, heat, tug, surprise, sit quietly while heart-rate resumes normal pace... and then spend rather a long time trying to get that damn converter plug off the nipple before reading the threads Force refers to. I can't guarantee results, of course. I may have got one that was put together poorly.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Ernst Bitterman

[terim]

I've got one that I got the housing off of intact; the bit that fits over the nipple still refuses to budge, but with some soaking and careful tugging it is... sometimes possible to resac it. I didn't know it wasn't a converter at that point.

 

If I remember correctly, it was soak, heat, tug (get close the threads), soak, heat, tug, naphtha, heat, tug, surprise, sit quietly while heart-rate resumes normal pace... and then spend rather a long time trying to get that damn converter plug off the nipple before reading the threads Force refers to. I can't guarantee results, of course. I may have got one that was put together poorly.

Thank you, this is mildly encouraging!

[pjo]

Sorry for the delay but I have only just seen your question on resacking a Waterman Jif pen. I have done this a couple of times with good results. My pens were unused (NOS) English Waterman's 88 GS M, made in the 1940's or 1950's. The mechanism is identical to the Jif Masterpiece.

 

The main problem is that the aluminium cover over the latex ink sac is shelaced in, it is a very tight fit and requires more than a little gentle wiggling to break the seal. I put mine in an ultrasonic bath with warm water and a little detergent. This, plus the warmth, seemed to help. The sac is over a small conical section that has a nipple for the sac to be cemented over. I used a No 14 sac, with shelac cement.

On one of my pens the conical section fitted into the pen with a very small rubber washer on the small end of the hollow cone. The washer was about 5mm OD and had a hole (ID) of about 2.5mm.

 

I suppose this is all a bit late to help you now. Do tell us how you got on as it will help others.

Edited May 20, 2016 by pjo

[terim]

Sorry for the delay but I have only just seen your question on resacking a Waterman Jif pen. I have done this a couple of times with good results. My pens were unused (NOS) English Waterman's 88 GS M, made in the 1940's or 1950's. The mechanism is identical to the Jif Masterpiece.

 

The main problem is that the aluminium cover over the latex ink sac is shelaced in, it is a very tight fit and requires more than a little gentle wiggling to break the seal. I put mine in an ultrasonic bath with warm water and a little detergent. This, plus the warmth, seemed to help. The sac is over a small conical section that has a nipple for the sac to be cemented over. I used a No 14 sac, with shelac cement.

On one of my pens the conical section fitted into the pen with a very small rubber washer on the small end of the hollow cone. The washer was about 5mm OD and had a hole (ID) of about 2.5mm.

 

I suppose this is all a bit late to help you now. Do tell us how you got on as it will help others.

Never too late! We haven't broken anything yet. If we have anything to add I'll be happy to post.

[mitto]

I have seen this model and other similar models appear over on the Waterman Forum with the same problem and much the same result...its virtually impossible to remove the 'converter'. Even brute force seems to have little affect on the adhesive used.

 

I suspect you are trying to carry out the repair to sell the pens so this is not of much help. On a No 3, I cut the steel tube and bonded on a sac.

 

One has to roll up the sac, dunk the nib into ink, then release the sac.

 

DSC_6126.JPG

 

I resaced mine. It is easy peasy. The usual soaking and removing the button method. It didn't even require heating.

 

Pictures refusing to upload despite repeated tries with the message " the previous action ciuld not be completed due to low memory" appearing. Wonder what does this message mean? What low memory? My smart phone has more than enough empty memory. I am confronting this situation for quite some time now. Any help?

[pjo]

Hi mitto . I'm so glad you have had no problem with the replacement. I've done it several times as described earlier in this thread and I can't understand why others are having so much trouble.

As to the picture uploading problem, I do hope someone can help you , as I have all sorts of problems too and would be interested in the answer. These things are probably dead simple, but somehow I never seem to get the hang of it!

[mitto]

Yes, it was so easy. I soaked the button/nipple side of the converter for a few hours and the black button came off with gentle pulling and witout needing any heat or tools. Mine was the smaller size with the #2 nib. So digging out a smaller sac to fit was a bit of a problem. Anyhow I was able to manage the sac from my part bin. The pen looked to be NOS as beside the pristine condition of the pen i couldnt find any traces of ink in the sac or in the section. The nib/ feed were also super clean.

 

The picture uploading problem persists. Hope someone knowledgable chime in to help.

[mitto]

I may be able to share the pictures via google drive. I know it is too late but may be it helps.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YIpSMy7b42pQ0CP_fhEvL2m49IdaRxVM/view?usp=drivesdk

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/161bCIg4Vf4AkfrvIYYwWoBgKFz9FjoRN/view?usp=drivesdk

Edited February 3, 2018 by mitto