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Anyone Heard Of A Pelikan 100 Danzig ?


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#1 Rafael Macia

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 23:43

I was wondering if anyone has heard of a Pelikan 100 Danzig?

I have seen and heard of 100n Danzig, identified by the distinctive Danzig clip.

But cannot seem to find reference to a 100.

My first thought was a 100n Danzig clip was put on a100.

Any expert advice about what may be what?

thanking  you in advance,

rafael


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#2 Russ

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:37

I believe the Danzig clip is (vertically) fluted.  Have you searched Rick Propas' site?

 

http://www.thepenguinpen.com/



#3 Tombstone

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:19

The only information you get is here:

 

http://www.fountainp...zig-production/

 

But this an "N"...


There are no facts, there is no truth - just a data to be manipulated...

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 10:44

I also know the 100N with Danzig clip but not know if 100 with such clip exists.

You can watch one 100N in www.penboard.de



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 17:51

I was wondering if anyone has heard of a Pelikan 100 Danzig?

I have seen and heard of 100n Danzig, identified by the distinctive Danzig clip.

But cannot seem to find reference to a 100.

My first thought was a 100n Danzig clip was put on a100.

Any expert advice about what may be what?

thanking  you in advance,

rafael

 

 

Only this set{100N} from Rick Propas..

 

http://www.angelfire...kan/PE1172.html

 

 

Fred

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#6 Rick Propas

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:27

I have not seen nor heard of production from Danzig of the 100. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but my understanding is that Danzig production was late, just before the war.



#7 Rafael Macia

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:12

In the hopes of increasing our knowledge of Pelikan history;

 

I have done some legwork to find out about  100 and 100N Danzig (Gdańsk) Pelikan production.

I will offer some documentation that establishes that Pelikan 100's were indeed produced in Danzig.

and ...

That they were produced in the common two ring cap style.

                 ( Rather than the general idea that Danzig (Gdańsk), pens all have one ring.)

 

Not true .... (I believe).

 

Danzig (Gdańsk) produced both 100 and 100n, in both 1 and 2 ring cap styles.

 

(I believe)

 

the first is a 100 instruction sheet

the second is a 2 band 100

 

both produced by Danzig (Gdańsk)

 

Rafael

 

 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:21

Rafael :

 

 

Good sleuthing !

 

I've said for some time that pens are not as amenable to the more rigorous "provenance" concept applied in the art world.  That area has its own very specific problems and hurdles, but the histories of much more overtly commercial products like fountain pens  are sometimes hard to trace and document.  Even pens like the much more recent M250 Tortoise, which is less than twenty years old, have been subject to a lot of speculation.

 

However, these instructions/adverts would point to a somewhat more expansive history for the Danzig/Gdańsk facility.  The next challenge is to hunt down specific examples of each pen with lovely crisp photographs... 

 

 

 

John P.



#9 Rafael Macia

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:31

I will provide crisp photos of my two ring Pelikan Dansk/Gdañsk when it arrives.

 

A friend who has a two band 100n was told by a so-called "expert"/dealer that the Danzig clip on his 100n was not correct.

I think my documentation puts a dent in that!

 

 

I was told by my source, who provided this documentation, that Pelikan Danzig/Gdańsk produced both 100's, and 100n's, and that they were produced in both one and two ring models.

When I said it was contrary to "common knowledge" here, my source said the so- called experts may not have had exposure to any documentation, similar to this.

 

I was lucky to come across this.


Edited by Rafael Macia, 11 July 2013 - 03:36.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:22

I will provide crisp photos of my two ring Pelikan Dansk/Gdañsk when it arrives... I was lucky to come across this.

 

I'll look forward to the photos ! 

 

While I can't (and don't want to) possess an example of every Pelikan pen ever made, I very much enjoy seeing the less common varieties.  One of the pleasures of FPN is that I can see pens in close and glorious detail through photos posted here.

 

And yes, you're lucky to come across this...  :D

 

 

 

John P.



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Posted 28 July 2013 - 17:43

I have not seen nor heard of production from Danzig of the 100. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but my understanding is that Danzig production was late, just before the war.

 

In the hopes of increasing our knowledge of Pelikan history;

 

I have done some legwork to find out about  100 and 100N Danzig (Gdańsk) Pelikan production.

I will offer some documentation that establishes that Pelikan 100's were indeed produced in Danzig.

and ...

That they were produced in the common two ring cap style.

                 ( Rather than the general idea that Danzig (Gdańsk), pens all have one ring.)

 

Not true .... (I believe).

 

Danzig (Gdańsk) produced both 100 and 100n, in both 1 and 2 ring cap styles.

 

(I believe)

 

the first is a 100 instruction sheet

the second is a 2 band 100

 

both produced by Danzig (Gdańsk)

 

Rafael

 

 

 

So ...



#12 Rafael Macia

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 16:50

 

I'll look forward to the photos ! 

 

While I can't (and don't want to) possess an example of every Pelikan pen ever made, I very much enjoy seeing the less common varieties.  One of the pleasures of FPN is that I can see pens in close and glorious detail through photos posted here.

 

And yes, you're lucky to come across this...  :D

 

 

 

John P.

Rather than put the photos on the tail end of this thread. I will start an new thread. Let's see what happens.


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Posted 31 July 2013 - 18:53

Very interesting topic.
Pelikan Production started in Gdansk in 1930.
They produced a pen with a one ring on the cap, and two rings.
Unfortunately, there is no evidence that the Pelican 100 produced with a single ring. Pelikan 100N was the produced with one ring on cap and it is certain.

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( foto by user @velofahrer from Poland, member FOP )

Gdańsk Pelikan 100 with two rings on the cap on the this flyer

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Finally some pictures of my Pelikan 100 with Gdansk clip, but I'm not sure that it was produced in Gdansk. Nib and feed are older like pen.

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regards


Edited by konis, 31 July 2013 - 18:57.


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Posted 31 July 2013 - 19:12

My source of information is also from Poland. You statement that Gdańsk,(Danzig) factory started in 1930 is against what the "experts" here say. they say latter half of the 30's.

Your pen is similar in every way to my pen.,    (see my thread "100 Danzig" this same Forum.)

 

I think my case gets stronger that Pelikan 100 was made in Gdańsk ...... also that both one AND two band caps were produced, (as your sheet documentation clearly shows.

 

Maybe the Pelikan Danizg (Gdańsk), factory production needs to be re visited and re written?   

 

and thank you konis

 

rafael


Edited by Rafael Macia, 31 July 2013 - 19:14.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 19:27

In newspaper "Gazeta Handlowa" on day 22.11.1930, she appeared this article
It is said that the production of 1500 pens per day and is supported by 80 machines.
What does said on this fact that experts?

 

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regards


Edited by konis, 31 July 2013 - 20:01.


#16 Rafael Macia

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 20:56

Excellent !

 

This validates my assertions.  If the factory, was up and running in 1930, than Gdańsk production of 100's makes sense.

 

 

 

raf


Edited by Rafael Macia, 01 August 2013 - 14:47.

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#17 Rick Propas

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 17:21

Interesting.  Could you e-mail me a high resolution copy of this? I'd like to have it fully translated. Not that I don't believe you, but if we are revising knowledge it should be firmly based on data. Thanks

 

Rick Propas (rickpropas@comcast.net)

 

 

In newspaper "Gazeta Handlowa" on day 22.11.1930, she appeared this article
It is said that the production of 1500 pens per day and is supported by 80 machines.
What does said on this fact that experts?

 

4d993df2ccad8ce9.jpg

 

regards

 



#18 Rafael Macia

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 17:36

Hi Rick,

 

I contacted Konis and asked him to contact you. 

Interesting stuff ....... ?


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 20:07

Hello everyone.
Wrong wrote the date of publication.
This is earlier than I gave.
"Gazeta Handlowa" No. 67 dated 21.03.1930 page 6.
Link to the archive of publication:

http://ebuw.uw.edu.p.../directory.djvu

And high-resolution photo.

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best regards


Edited by konis, 01 August 2013 - 20:20.


#20 Rafael Macia

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 21:43

konis,

 

Thank you the newspaper article should be easy to translate now.

 

I am not however able to open the link to the archive page.

 

Rick may be able to.

 

Again, thank you,

 

Rafael


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