Pelikan 4001 Eisengallustinte

[Lennart Wennberg]

In the film: "Die Welt Der hochwertigen Schreibgeräte" you can see a bottle of "4001 Eisengallustinte" indicated to be from 1935.

When did Pelikan stop making iron-gall ink?

[The Good Captain]

I don't know but I bought this old bottle at a pen show recently and think it's rather charming. Complete with some wonderful black flakes and crystallised gunge inside!

[twdpens]

When did Pelikan stop making iron-gall ink?

 

They haven't, as far as I can tell. Current production is still labelled "permanent" (in Spanish, anyway) and although the words "iron gall" do not appear on the packaging the ink is still waterproof.

 

HTH,

 

Martin

[PDW]

No offence meant, but you went to see a film and you looked at the ink bottle? :hmm1:

Edited July 12, 2012 by PDW

[Lennart Wennberg]

@The Good Captain: Nice bottle!

 

@Martin: All IG inks are said to be permanent, but not all permanent inks are Iron Gall Inks.

 

@PDW:

 

 

Lennart

[twdpens]

@Martin: All IG inks are said to be permanent, but not all permanent inks are Iron Gall Inks.

 

Indeed not. I don't know for sure whether Pel BB is IG, but it certainly has the right characteristics.

 

Martin

[Lennart Wennberg]

Martin,

That would be wonderful if the 4001 BB is an iron-gall ink and quite a surprise for me!

 

Lennart

[lapis]

When did Pelikan stop making iron-gall ink?

A recent phone call with Pelikan's ink department told me 'about 25 years ago'.

 

Mike

[twdpens]

When did Pelikan stop making iron-gall ink?

A recent phone call with Pelikan's ink department told me 'about 25 years ago'.

 

Mike

 

Thanks for the follow-up.

 

Pelikan Blue/Black does display iron-gall like properties so I assumed that it still had some (perhaps very small) IG content. For an ink that isn't iron gall, it is fairly water resistant and survives a soak test very well.

 

Martin

[Robert Alan]

When did Pelikan stop making iron-gall ink?

A recent phone call with Pelikan's ink department told me 'about 25 years ago'.

 

Mike

 

Thanks for the follow-up.

 

Pelikan Blue/Black does display iron-gall like properties so I assumed that it still had some (perhaps very small) IG content. For an ink that isn't iron gall, it is fairly water resistant and survives a soak test very well.

 

Martin

 

In the USA, Pelikan 4001 blue-black ink has been discontinued. I was told that it has something to do with the ink being used for tattoos and it was not approved for that use.

/Robert

[lambertiana]

In 2009 I sent an email to Pelikan asking this very question. The customer service rep referred the question to Werner Bräutigam, who responded. He said that there is a small amount (nur ein Hauch) of iron gall in the Pelikan BB, but not enough to call it a true iron gall ink.

[ThirdeYe]

In 2009 I sent an email to Pelikan asking this very question. The customer service rep referred the question to Werner Bräutigam, who responded. He said that there is a small amount (nur ein Hauch) of iron gall in the Pelikan BB, but not enough to call it a true iron gall ink.

 

I'd believe that. When I use it, it comes out blue and turns darker as it dries.

[Lennart Wennberg]

Very interesting indeed. Thank you all so much.L

[The Good Captain]

In 2009 I sent an email to Pelikan asking this very question. The customer service rep referred the question to Werner Bräutigam, who responded. He said that there is a small amount (nur ein Hauch) of iron gall in the Pelikan BB, but not enough to call it a true iron gall ink.

 

I got a similar response last year.

[twdpens]

In 2009 I sent an email to Pelikan asking this very question. The customer service rep referred the question to Werner Bräutigam, who responded. He said that there is a small amount (nur ein Hauch) of iron gall in the Pelikan BB, but not enough to call it a true iron gall ink.

 

I got a similar response last year.

 

Interesting. That explains the ink's observed behaviour.

 

I did a quick search for other threads here on FPN and this comparison test by Sandy1 is worth a look.

 

HTH,

 

Martin