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Pelikan 400 was produced in years 1951-1954

Pelikan M400 start production in 1982, and in this shape was produced to 1997.

At first glance, the pens look alike.

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/0dc0dbb1dbf49552.jpg

Nibs look alike too.

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The first difference. Pelikan 400 - feed hardrubber. Pelikan M400 - feed plastic.

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/a25177849ac5978c.jpg

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The second difference. Imprints on the barrel.

Pelikan 400 – „GÜNTER WAGNER GERMANY”

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/aede37a569b292ca.jpg

Pelikan M400 – no imprints

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/83e2677dc6111a1b.jpg

The third difference. Imprints on cap ring.

Pelikan 400 – no imprints

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/80b7a7b9bfd09c21.jpg

Pelikan M400 – imprints „PELIKAN – GERMANY”

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/480da23042e307d6.jpg

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/be73dca2553501ae.jpg

Pelikans in brown striped/tortoise colours are my favorites pens. I have four Pelikans in this colour : Pelikan 400, Pelikan 500NN, Pelikan 400NN.

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/09df4575dca33005.jpg

Pelikan M400.

http://images10.fotosik.pl/1583/23ae6b6efb3daa0f.jpg

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A great post, this should help out anyone that was uncertain. It can also tell you if you have a married pen (parts from all eras). Thanks for sharing.


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Thank you for the time and effort you put in making this post. Any post that educates me about Vintage Pelikans is much appreciated.

Those brown tortoise pens are indeed gorgeous.

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400 has a 14 c nib and is more flexible.

 

I don't have a 400. I do have a M400, which has a 14 K regular flex nib.

That C and K can make a difference in flexibility.

I do have a 400NN which is a maxi-semi-flex/'flexi' nib.

 

It is my understanding from reading what Rick said, most all the '50-65 400's had a 'flexi' nib.

 

Even as pretty as my M400 ('90-96) tortoise is, and it does have a nice '90's 14 K nib with a bit more spring to it and a tad narrower than todays' wide stiffer nib, my 400NN beat it out for my favorite 400.

 

Reading about various era's of the MB and Pelikan before '66, the "C" be it 18 or 14 seemed a nib with more spring or flex to it than the "K".

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Since I answered this thread last time.

(I believe the 400 was produced in 1950 as a start year?)

I have added a 500 (fancy400 with gold sided piston cap) ('51-54) 'flexi'/maxi-semi-flex OBB 30 degree grind, and a 400N, semi-flex B. Both are matching and lighter than your 500nn, a bit lighter than your 400nn

 

I also have a darker '90's M400 tortoise. Oddly the gold cap, looks much better on the lighter tortoise to me, in the darker M400 looks murky in comparison, with the gold cap.

 

Have you tried your 500nn's cap on the 400nn?

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Just add a little bit more information here.

 

In addition to the differences mentioned by knois, there're several other distinctions:

 

1) The typeface of the nib size imprint is italic on M400, but 400 used a typeface like Helvetica.

2) The inner cap of M400 was made of plastic (likely), but the inner cap of 400 was made of steel tube.

3) The design of the connection between clip and cap is different. As we can see from knois's pictures, there's an obvious indentation on M400, but not on 400.

4) When the knob is twisted out, there's a thread visible on 400, but not on M400.

 

 

Hope this will help.

 

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Thanks a lot.

I found out i inherrited a pelikan 400 with a SB nib last weekend.

 

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Thanks a lot.
I found out i inherrited a pelikan 400 with a SB nib last weekend.

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What's an SB nib? I don't think I've run across that designation before. (I have a 400 with an OB nib, but it is -- sadly -- not a tortoise....)

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What's an SB nib? I don't think I've run across that designation before. (I have a 400 with an OB nib, but it is -- sadly -- not a tortoise....)

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SB (Scheiben Breit) - Disk top broad. A very scarce disk-top series of nibs found on early Pelikans, usually the script nibs. Characterized by an angled nib that is flat on the end. Known to write smoothly and lay down a significant amount of ink. Used for lettering and producing round end lines. Edited by sargetalon

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SB (Scheiben Breit) - Disk top broad. A very scarce disk-top series of nibs found on early Pelikans, usually the script nibs. Characterized by an angled nib that is flat on the end. Known to write smoothly and lay down a significant amount of ink. Used for lettering and producing round end lines.

 

Is that sort of like this?

http://www.staples.com/Speedball-Round-Pen-Nibs-B-5-1-2-box-of-12/product_1722469?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:1722469&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=1722469&KPID=1722469&lsft=cid:PS-_-GooglePLAs-_-1722469,kpid:1722469,adtype:pla,channel:online&gclid=CKz-gdj-5swCFRFahgodHLgJdQ?

 

(Yes, I know these are Speedball nibs, but I'm guessing that they're a similar concept.)

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