Help identifying this very slim Waterman

[vans4444]

Hi.

 

This pen arrived today, won for £9.00 on eBay. I am hoping that you will be able to help me identify it.

 

It is a very slim but quite heavy Waterman with an 18Kt gold nib. Around the cap band is stamped "Waterman Made in France". Capped it is 14cms long and the barrel is less than 10cms in diameter, I would say 9cms.

 

It is a really smooth writer but so thin that a normal Waterman converter will not fit in the barrel. I have a long Waterman cartridge in the pen, but it does not sit very firmly in the section; although it seems to work very well. I wonder if Waterman made a specific converter for this model?

 

I have tried Google but could not find a match. At one time I thought it might be a Waterman Exclusive but the ribbing on the section runs in the wrong direction. I did find a photo of a silver version of the pen one on this page, pen number 150, towards the bottom of the page, but it is not identified.

 

The photograph below shows a Waterman Laureat at the top of the picture for comparison

 

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/vans4444/Pens/Wtermanthin14Knib1.jpg

 

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/vans4444/Pens/WatermanThin14knib2.jpg

 

Thanks

 

 

[gvl]

The pen looks like a Waterman Executive which, I believe, dates from the 1970s/early 80s

 

£9.00 is a very good price. Here's another on Ebay which is somewhat overpriced.. Ebay exec.

 

This one is more realistically priced.

Edited May 20, 2009 by gvl

[ethernautrix]

I concur. That is an Executive. The Executive was one of the first fountain pens I ever bought. I no longer have the FP, but I still have the matching RB.

[vans4444]

Thanks for the help. I bought the pen on a whim. It was just described as a Waterman fountain pen and looked cheap. I didn't have a Waterman with a gold nib so I thought it would be worth trying.

 

I am very impressed with the nib. It is a wonderfully smooth writer, buttery, a little wet. The nib is stamped M but it writes more like a broad. The pen is so slim it fits almost unnoticed in a pocket. However, the lacquer on brass construction means it has a reasonable amount of weight.

[gvl]

It is a really smooth writer but so thin that a normal Waterman converter will not fit in the barrel. I have a long Waterman cartridge in the pen, but it does not sit very firmly in the section; although it seems to work very well. I wonder if Waterman made a specific converter for this model?

 

The shorter style of Waterman's cartridge may be a better fit with these older pens.

[Guest halh]

I've had a Waterman Executive FP & RB set since the early 1980s and am still a regular user; I've always liked the way the pen feels in my hand. I've had to replace the nib once and the barrel once as the enamal wore from constant usage. I was able to get the parts back then from Wateman in Boston.

 

My set is maroon, much like the set qvl refers to on EBay as reasonably priced at 45 euro. Unfortunately, the clip on the cap recently broke and cannot be repaired so I need to find a replacement cap. Does anyone know of one?

 

Hal H

[vans4444]

I've had a Waterman Executive FP & RB set since the early 1980s and am still a regular user; I've always liked the way the pen feels in my hand. I've had to replace the nib once and the barrel once as the enamal wore from constant usage. I was able to get the parts back then from Wateman in Boston.

 

My set is maroon, much like the set qvl refers to on EBay as reasonably priced at 45 euro. Unfortunately, the clip on the cap recently broke and cannot be repaired so I need to find a replacement cap. Does anyone know of one?

 

Hal H

 

 

Halh, welcome to the FPN. Thanks for your input it is very helpful.

 

I would be surprised if you could find a spare cap for an Executive, especially in the correct colour. It can be difficult to find spare caps for older pens even if they were sold in large numbers. I suspect the Executive was not sold in large numbers. However, I am new to fountain pen collecting so I could be wrong. It would be easier just to try to find a replacement such as the one you mentioned on eBay. Perhaps you could look at buying a different Waterman. If you look at the review section you will get an idea of the range available. I remember, there was a recent thread in the Waterman section of the FPN that gave advice to buying a Waterman.

[georges zaslavsky]

the executive is a very underrated waterman pen but it is a great quality item, you did well

[Guest halh]

I've had a Waterman Executive FP & RB set since the early 1980s and am still a regular user; I've always liked the way the pen feels in my hand. I've had to replace the nib once and the barrel once as the enamal wore from constant usage. I was able to get the parts back then from Wateman in Boston.

 

My set is maroon, much like the set qvl refers to on EBay as reasonably priced at 45 euro. Unfortunately, the clip on the cap recently broke and cannot be repaired so I need to find a replacement cap. Does anyone know of one?

 

Hal H

 

 

Halh, welcome to the FPN. Thanks for your input it is very helpful.

 

I would be surprised if you could find a spare cap for an Executive, especially in the correct colour. It can be difficult to find spare caps for older pens even if they were sold in large numbers. I suspect the Executive was not sold in large numbers. However, I am new to fountain pen collecting so I could be wrong. It would be easier just to try to find a replacement such as the one you mentioned on eBay. Perhaps you could look at buying a different Waterman. If you look at the review section you will get an idea of the range available. I remember, there was a recent thread in the Waterman section of the FPN that gave advice to buying a Waterman.

 

 

Wessex, thanks for the feedback; since I don't carry the pen often, but use it a lot at home and it writes so smoothly for me, I'll just make it a mission to find a used cap or whole casing. Chances are I won't find it, but I'll have fun looking. And I'm in no rush.

 

Hal

[lovemy51]

well, i've been trying to find pix to identify my mystery Waterman and i'found this. great, now i know what i have.

 

a dear friend handed me a plastic bag filled with four sheaffer no-nonsense, about 20 sheaffer carts (assorted colors), 2 osmiroid nib units (including a music nib) and this mystery waterman and said she bought them at an estate sale and they were all for me... yay!!!

 

just wanted to share!

Edited August 13, 2010 by lovemy51

[Procyon]

Hi vans4444,

 

I have a Waterman Exclusive, which seems to be the same size as your pen. Your pen is probably an Executive, as several people have said. The reason I am posting, however, is that my Exclusive came with a converter which is exactly like the converter supplied with a Laureat that I purchased at about the same time. The Exclusive does have a smaller barrel than the Laureat, but the converter is the same size. Just wondering if you have tried a Laureat converter in your Executive pen?

[Gobblecup]

Hello vans4444, or anyone else who happens upon this post. I am posting on this older thread because I am currently buying a Burgundy Waterman Executive from another FPN member here, and would like to know a little more about the pen. The seller said he would include a converter with the pen (thank goodness!) and that the pen has a Fine 18K nib.

 

Anyone who owns or has owned this pen, please chime in with your description and experience with it! I am very excited to be buying my first Waterman, and since there is hardly any info about this model on the web, please excuse me popping up on this thread asking about it!

 

One specific thing I would like to know is weather these Waterman nibs are known to have any flex? It would be a huge plus for me.

 

Thanks!

[vans4444]

Hello vans4444, or anyone else who happens upon this post. I am posting on this older thread because I am currently buying a Burgundy Waterman Executive from another FPN member here, and would like to know a little more about the pen. The seller said he would include a converter with the pen (thank goodness!) and that the pen has a Fine 18K nib.

 

Anyone who owns or has owned this pen, please chime in with your description and experience with it! I am very excited to be buying my first Waterman, and since there is hardly any info about this model on the web, please excuse me popping up on this thread asking about it!

 

One specific thing I would like to know is weather these Waterman nibs are known to have any flex? It would be a huge plus for me.

 

Thanks!

 

 

I have not used my Executive for a while, so I am not really the best person to answer your question. The pen is thin, thinner than most. It is a little too thin for my large hands and big figures. I don't remember any flex in the nib, but I could be wrong. However, the nib is the best thing about the pen it is a really smooth moderately wet writer

[Left FPN]

Hello vans4444, or anyone else who happens upon this post. I am posting on this older thread because I am currently buying a Burgundy Waterman Executive from another FPN member here, and would like to know a little more about the pen. The seller said he would include a converter with the pen (thank goodness!) and that the pen has a Fine 18K nib.

 

Anyone who owns or has owned this pen, please chime in with your description and experience with it! I am very excited to be buying my first Waterman, and since there is hardly any info about this model on the web, please excuse me popping up on this thread asking about it!

 

One specific thing I would like to know is weather these Waterman nibs are known to have any flex? It would be a huge plus for me.

 

Thanks!

 

Yes, I have owned one since 1986 when it dropped through my letter box.....a leaving gift from a previous employer. Mottled Brown, seen here in third picture.

 

http://www.btinternet.com/~daj.fseltd/Waterman.htm

 

It is now on its 3rd nib section, the first 2 were not replaced due to nib wear but corrosion to the gold band on the section. The latest new section (nib) writes very smooth but as I dont like to press hard with nibs I have little experience with the flex. Theese nibs are small and short compared to other Waterman mediums so they probably have little flex if any.

 

It still sits on my home desk today ready for action.

 

As for the £9.....that is a sumguy

Edited November 4, 2010 by Force

[wspohn]

Hi vans4444,

 

I have a Waterman Exclusive, which seems to be the same size as your pen. Your pen is probably an Executive, as several people have said. The reason I am posting, however, is that my Exclusive came with a converter which is exactly like the converter supplied with a Laureat that I purchased at about the same time. The Exclusive does have a smaller barrel than the Laureat, but the converter is the same size. Just wondering if you have tried a Laureat converter in your Executive pen?

 

I also have an Exclusive (I have a hard time resisting sterling silver pens) and it has a nib very similar to the pictured Executive, although a bit shorter. Decent writer!

You got a bargain!

[Gobblecup]

Hello vans4444, or anyone else who happens upon this post. I am posting on this older thread because I am currently buying a Burgundy Waterman Executive from another FPN member here, and would like to know a little more about the pen. The seller said he would include a converter with the pen (thank goodness!) and that the pen has a Fine 18K nib.

 

Anyone who owns or has owned this pen, please chime in with your description and experience with it! I am very excited to be buying my first Waterman, and since there is hardly any info about this model on the web, please excuse me popping up on this thread asking about it!

 

One specific thing I would like to know is weather these Waterman nibs are known to have any flex? It would be a huge plus for me.

 

Thanks!

 

Yes, I have owned one since 1986 when it dropped through my letter box.....a leaving gift from a previous employer. Mottled Brown, seen here in third picture.

 

http://www.btinternet.com/~daj.fseltd/Waterman.htm

 

It is now on its 3rd nib section, the first 2 were not replaced due to nib wear but corrosion to the gold band on the section. The latest new section (nib) writes very smooth but as I dont like to press hard with nibs I have little experience with the flex. Theese nibs are small and short compared to other Waterman mediums so they probably have little flex if any.

 

It still sits on my home desk today ready for action.

 

As for the £9.....that is a sumguy

 

Mine is on its way from France for $55 shipped, and said to be mint with the original 18k nib and converter, I expect it to be a good writer and the flex is not essential. I have been on the hunt for a good flex pen to learn some older cursive styles and keep hoping I might get one by chance!

 

Thanks for your response, your page of Watermans is a delight to look at! I have a pretty good idea now of what my Executive will look like next to other Waterman models of the era.

[Limenweim]

I also happened to order an Executive from France! I haven't received it though, but I will let you people know how it goes!

[Gobblecup]

I received my Waterman Executive yesterday and so far its a great writer! Not by any means a true flex nib, but it has a very nice spring to it and can produce minimal line variation with some pressure. Maybe I will have time to post pictures of it late this evening. I hope that I am not hurting my nib by toying with its flexibility, but the tines jump right back into place after applying pressure, and it doesn't take allot of pressure to spread them a little. I can at least say the nib has some character, even though its rather unadorned.

 

Limenweim, let me know how your Executive works.

[Limenweim]

I will! I got my Executive on Friday, but that is all the way back in Singapore. Will be flying back this Friday, so will try out then!

[obilot]

I've had a Waterman Executive FP & RB set since the early 1980s and am still a regular user; I've always liked the way the pen feels in my hand. I've had to replace the nib once and the barrel once as the enamal wore from constant usage. I was able to get the parts back then from Wateman in Boston. My set is maroon, much like the set qvl refers to on EBay as reasonably priced at 45 euro. Unfortunately, the clip on the cap recently broke and cannot be repaired so I need to find a replacement cap. Does anyone know of one?Hal H

This post is informative its age notwithstanding. I actually have two of these pens -- both kind of a rust color, both with slightly chipped enamel. The first was a gift from a boyfriend who worked for the shop that sold them. I used it intensively for at least two years, when the pocket clip snapped off of the cap. That was in about 1989. I just reopened its box today and was trying to remember what was up with why I had two. Because of this post I now remember that boyfriend contacted mfr. about the broken clip, and at the time they just 'replaced' the entire pen, because irreparable. It grates on me a bit that they built a component so intolerant of normal wear without accounting for the need to replace. The pocket clip is a critical design element.

 

It was my first 'good' pen (of very few). I'd say it weighs a ton, but have fond memories of using it to take notes in my biology class. I've been using it today, and writing with it is still a pleasure. Really flexy nib.