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On 6/19/2021 at 11:05 PM, vicpen123 said:

Maybe based on filling systems. Any pen before c/c is vintage. Covers P"51"s, Snorkels but not P45s.  As good as any other measure.

The Parker 45's introduction as the first really viable c/c pen is what I use.  Because that was definitely a major game changer.  

Of course, since IIRC it was first on the market after I was born, that would technically make me "vintage".... :huh:  Not sure quite how I feel about that, but I AM old enough to remember Beatlemania, and the "British Invasion" in music.

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"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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I've always said it has to be older than me to be vintage, that gets older every day!


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I have normally used 1960, the year that the Parker 45 was introduced as vintage. 

Semi vintage?

Does one go to say 1980, 1985, 1990? That's 30, 35, and 40 years ago respectively. Or is semi vintage a moving target? At what point do we make it about age of the pen not an event?


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1 hour ago, Runnin_Ute said:

Does one go to say 1980, 1985, 1990? That's 30, 35, and 40 years ago respectively. Or is semi vintage a moving target? At what point do we make it about age of the pen not an event?

I can imagine that pens made before 1 January 2000 will be called vintage in 4 to 9 years time.

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I use semi-vintage from before 1997, when Pelikan ruined it's nibs; making them stiffer and fat and blobby...outside the 200.


Vintage from when the semi-flex died, @ 1970 MB?-72 for Geha (outside of Aurora which offered real semi-flex into the young 2000's. The new faux-semi-flex or flexi or what ever they call it is not real.)

German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

 https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,..Bock nib factory.


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How old is "vintage" currently? Regrettably not as old as I am.



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