Waterman Lady Charlote, Agatha, Anastasia, etc question

[Waltz For Zizi]

What cartridge or convertors fit these pens? I have a Lady Charlote and an Exclusive that I'm trying to like but cant seem to find a cartridge or convertor to fit properly.

Even the Cf convertor it stays very loose, that I had to put a little spring in the back of the barrel of the exclusive.

On the Charlote the cf convertor is too long, and all the cartridges and convertors I have used even if they are too long or too thick, they also have the opening too big. It's not that they are not tight, but the opening is way too big, even on a long waterman cartridge that I tried.

I did not try a small original waterman cartridge. Will this fit?

Im genuinly thinking of selling these 2 pens for these reasons, and Id really hate that for the Charlote is a very good writer and alao cute.

 

P.S. were the cartridges on these pens by any chance designed to fit by blocking the entire width of the section with their diameter and not just the rod that enters the cartridge, I would doubt that because I also notices traces of ink that sipp between the black plastic part of the section and the metal ring thats close to the nib that sometimes stain my fingers when I use them like that. Really annoying pens these models from this period. I also had 2 Waterman Vanguard with the same problem and sold them cause they were unuseable.

[JWG J]

In my Waterman Lady Charlotte, Waterman Mini Lady Ink Cartridges, that are still available, fit, no leakage, no problem. They look like International short cartidges, but are thinner, see table below. In my Waterman Exclusive, a Waterman (long) cartridge fits, no leakage, no problem. I have a Waterman Supermaster though, of which the rod that enters the cartridge is very thin, because it lost a cylinder around that rod. (For that pen, I adapted a Sheaffer slim cartridge, so that it blocks the entire width of the section with its diameter, making the pen usable, and I fill the adapted cartridge with a syringe). So, if the rod of your Waterman FP is very narrow, it could be damaged the same way...

 

[LoveBigPensAndCannotLie]

I have two of the Waterman Lady pens, one of the black lacquered ones (Lady Charlotte, I think?) and the silver plated version, modern Waterman short cartridges fit perfectly.

 

I don't recommend trying other cartridges, Waterman pens for this era are notoriously finnicky about the cartridges they take and they are not well made. Very thin plastic on the threads that is easy to crack if you use a cartridge that is slightly too big. Ask me know I know.

 

1 hour ago, JWG J said:

I have a Waterman Supermaster though, of which the rod that enters the cartridge is very thin, because it lost a cylinder around that rod. (For that pen, I adapted a Sheaffer slim cartridge, so that it blocks the entire width of the section with its diameter, making the pen usable, and I fill the adapted cartridge with a syringe).

 

Oh interesting, I have a Waterman Executive with the exact same issue. I haven't been able to use it because it leaks profusely and the cartridge just falls out. I guess this was a common problem. I might try this. Did you do anything to the slim cartridge to make it fit (like sanding it down, etc.)?

[JWG J]

It requires cutting off the slim end of a slim Sheaffer cartridge; the cut should result in a tight fit into the section. The other end, that is open after usage in a Sheaffer TRZ or Sheaffer slim Targa) has to be closed with a glue gun, see below. This modified cartridge did not leak...

An alternative is to cut an unused slim cartridge; then a glue gun is not necessary, only one (messy) cut. One could measure the intern diameter of the section with a precise digital micrometre, then cut the cartridge at a diameter slightly bigger. I did that and repeatedly tested for the fit, adapting the fit of the cartridge using  a fine grinding machine (or grind stone), which resulted in a strictly perpendicular cut (which cannot be appreciated in the picture below). Hope this helps...

 

[Waltz For Zizi]

Thanks. You are right. I am also missing the thicker "sleve" on one of those pens.

[LoveBigPensAndCannotLie]

Unfortunate that this appears to be a common issue with these pens. I really don't like these 80's/90's Waterman pens, they took a large hit in build quality. Shame because their nibs are some of the best, especially the gold ones. But the quality of the pens is too much of a gamble.

[thx1138]

The first waterman lady pen i bought came with a converter.  I think it is smaller than the standard cf converter.