bleed through Mont Blanc 149

[Stix]

I am looking for a nice ink that will not bleed through. I have a Montblanc 149 calligraphy and I’ve tried Mont blanc and diamine ink. This pen writes wet. any recommendations would be appreciated

Edited August 16, 2022 by Stix
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[yazeh]

What colour are you looking for?

What paper do you use?

 

Did your Montblanc/ Diamine Inks bleed through?

 

Normally IG inks don't bleed through. Essri or Diamine Registrars (both are dry inks) are good candidates. 

[Stix]

I tried them both on Pentelic and florentine paper

[Stix]

[yazeh]

I don't know those papers so, I cannot comment.

What is the ink you're using above. 

Normal fountain pen friendly paper, should not be affected. Have you tried on good Japanese paper (Apica/ Midori etc) or European paper (like Rhodia)?

 

Often times when bleed-through happens is because:

1) Paper is absorbent (Field notes paper / or cheep paper) or is thin. 

2) Ink is cellulose reactive (Noodler's bulletproof inks) or highly saturated. 

3) Pen is applied with a lot of pressure. If you're heavy handed, this could be a cause. 

4) Pen/ ink/ nib combo wet.  This is difficult to explain. For ex. Noodler's Baystate Blue bleeds through with a #6 medium nib. However, it doesn't with Fine #2 or wide Italic nib.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chromantic]

Try drier inks. I use 4 Stipula (Dark Blue, Musk Green, Fading Grey and Saffron) in wet-writing Souverans with good results. Ditto with Light Blue in an M205.

[arcfide]

That looks like pretty absorbent paper. Most likely the paper is the "weak link" here in terms of putting more restrictions on your ink choice. I'd recommend looking at the following papers:

• Exaclair group (Rhodia, Clairefontaine, G. Lalo, Exacompta, Quo Vadis, etc.)
• Fabriano (Lamy notebooks included, I think)
• Southworth heavy cotton papers
• Japanese papers (Apica, Midori MD, Kokuyo, Tsubame, Masuya, LIFE, Maruman, etc.)
• Walmart Pen + Gear paper from Vietnam (surprisingly decent)

Given that the 149 you have is wet (especially if you apply pressure), here are some drier inks that might help tame it:

• Platinum inks in general, but especially the dye-based or iron-gall inks (Classic, Blue Black, Mix Free, dyestuff Black/Red)
• Standard Waterman colors (Black, Red, Blue, and maybe their Blue Black)
• Pelikan 4001 inks
• Lamy standard inks

Unfortunately, inks and paper react individually with one another, so while in general the above are good choices, you'll want to play with which ones work best for you under your conditions. Humidity, storage conditions, and so forth, can also play a part in how the inks interact with paper. 

[dragondazd]

If the paper is too absorbent, there may be no ink that works on your paper with that pen. We

[Stix]

I ordered some Cosmo air light paper

[amberleadavis]

I pulled out the 3 MB 149s that I own and wrote on four different types of paper to send you a CRV (co-razy-view) letter.  YOu can write on  the other half of the paper and try out your pen and ink.

 

[Stix]

thank you 😊 

[amberleadavis]

Oh, and when I played with the Calligraphy pen that belongs to @Frank C, we tested multiple MB149s. See the thread here:

 

 

I believe that @fpupulin tested many inks in his MB Calligraphy pen and highly recommends Montblanc Permanent Blue.  Hopefully, he will chime in.

[fpupulin]

To the OP. I was watching at the photograph of your written sheet and, unless it is a very porous/absorbent paper, I have the impression that the nib of your 149 Calligraphy is not writing the extra-fine strokes it should be able to. 

 

I have not so much experience with "smooth" papers, as I do not like them too much. I prefer the paper with some "teeth" that interacts with the nib. I mostly use vergata (laid) paper, and I would suggestion to give a try to the Fabriano Artist journals. They are not 100% cheap, but they aren't expensive neither, and they may be used for daily writing and for calligraphic exercises, depending on the size.

 

As to the ink. As amberleadavis said, my ink of choice for not bleeding through any kind of paper is Montblanc Blue Permanent. Black Permanent has the same property as to see through, but it takes much longer to dry. With both these inks you should have the precaution to carefully clan your pen at any new load, even though you are not changing ink. I flush the pen twenty times before loading it again. No problems of clogging and no shadows on the ink window.

[Frank C]

@Stix posted the same question in two different topics. There are multiple answers in both threads. I gave up trying to help.

[dragondazd]

Shrug I accidentally double post all the time. Sometime the site is not very responsive.