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On 8/15/2022 at 9:54 PM, amberleadavis said:

 

OH MY your Petite Prince Red Fox was much richer than mine. I added extra red to mine.

 

I'll do a picture soon.

 

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Here is the 20 August update with a dozen additional inks generously tested by Tom Kellie (as appear in above posts)

 

Inks for Italic Edge 100

   Recommended: Dry and | or Light Colours

   Tested:

      AKKERMAN  

         China Town Red

            very well suited to the nib

         Delft Blue **

         Koninginne Nach-Blauw

         Residentie Blauw

      BIRMINGHAM PENS

         [All looked and behaved well]

         Aluminium Oxide **

            (blue|teal grey) darker than usual,

            nearly black

         Cornflower **

            (med blue, H20 resist) slightly darker; 

            fine behaviour

         Eroded Bronze **

            (slate blue) improved saturation

            makes it usable 

         Lichen Watermark **

            (murky green) now med saturation 

         Pincushion Moss **

            (green, H20 resist) deeper green than 

             usual 

         Tattered Jute **

            (sepia, H20 resist) perfect in this pen 

      DE ATRAMENTIS  

         Kir Royal

            (scented) this complex formulation of  
            natural ingredients and pigments performs well

      DIAMINE  

         Blue Black Archival Registrar’s Ink

         China Blue

         Damson

         Deep Magenta

            well behaved 

         Delamere Green

            high saturation; well lubricated

         Earl Grey **

            darker grey; more saturated than usual

         Eau de Nil

         Eclipse **

            (very dark purple) black when wet; 

            T. Kellie reports favourably 

         Golden Brown

         Green Umber

         Maroon

         Prussian Blue

         Red Dragon

         Safari

            admirably suited for this pen 

         Salamander

         Sargasso Sea
      FRITZ SCHIMPF

         Fritzrot * ^

            (red) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Gelassenheit

            an ideal ink for this pen

         Gewitterwolke

         Morgenröte

         Niebla

            (misty violet) an ideal ink for this pen

         Sirimiri

         Sundowner *

            (orange) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Zwischenlicht ^ **

      J HERBIN

         Ambre de Birmanie

         Bleu Myosotis

            optimal ink flow and no skipping 

         Café des Iles

         Larmes de Cassis

         Rouge Opéra

            deep colour enhanced by this pen’s broad strokes

         Vert Empire

      JACQUES HERBIN

         Rouge d’Orient

      KWZ  

         Grapefruit

            high saturation 

         Honey

         [Both, below, looked and performed 

         outstandingly]

         Iron Gall Blue-Black **
           high saturation; no shading in dip test

         Iron Gall Green #3 **
           (green-black) similar colour to the tree 

            Norway spruce; high saturation; no 

            shading in dip test

      KYOTO INKS

         Kyo no Oto Aonibi **

            (slate blue) beautiful shading; slight 

            skipping; performs best in this pen

         Kyo no Oto Hisoku

         Kyo no Oto Kokeiro

         Kyo no Oto Moegiiro

            rich colour; excellent shading; top-level performance 

         Kyo no Oto Sakuranezumi

         Kyo-Iro Flaming Red of Fushimi

         Kyo-Iro Soft Snow of Ohara

      L’ ARTISAN PASTELLIER

         Bleu Méditerranée

         Gris de Payne

            bravura performance in this nib

         Heure Dorée

         Omi Osun

         Sepia

         Teodora

         Yalumba

      L’ ARTISAN PASTELLIER CALLIFOLIO

         Inti

         Bosphore

            this premium dry ink works well in the nib

      MONTBLANC

         Burgundy Red 

         Cool Grey

         Green (Hommage à the Brothers Grimm)

            dark tone; shades well; full richness of hue on display

         Mint Green (Hommage à Victoria & Albert)

            light tone; well lubricated

         Modena Red

         Red Fox (Petit Prince)

         Royal Blue

         Scarlet Red (Hommage à Arthur Conan Doyle)

         Toffee Brown **

            (usually reddish brown) more 

            saturated; more red when wet | more 

            chocolate when dry; modest shading on

            Rhodia

      PARKER  

         Washable Blue Quink

      PELIKAN 4001  

         [Iron Gall] Blue-Black **

            T. Kellie reports this ink is an ideal match    
            for this nib as it’s notably dry

         Königsblau [Royal Blue]

         Turquoise 

         Violet

      PILOT

         Iroshizuku Ajisai **

            (light blue) colour similar to but more 

            saturated than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower

         Iroshizuku Fuyu-Syogun

         Iroshizuku Kon-Peki

      PLATINUM

         Cassis Black

      ROBERT OSTER

         Australian Opal Pink

            very light-toned ink performs in this pen

         Fire Engine Red

         Gray Seas **

            (blue-leaning grey) well behaved;

            beautiful shading 

         Midnight Sapphire **

            (grey-leaning blue) well behaved;

            lovely shading similar to PELIKAN 4001 

            Blue-Black

         Purple Rock **

            (grey purple) much more saturated |

            darker; less grey than usual; less 

            shading than usual

         Terracotta

            an ideal ink for this pen

         Vanness Blue River
      ROHRER & KLINGER

         Alt-Bordeaux

         Alt-Goldgrün

         Dokumentus Light Blue

            (H20 resist)

         Kastanienbraun

         [Iron Gall] Salix

         [Iron Gall] Scabiosa

         Verdigris

         Verdura
      SAILOR

         [Pigmented] Nano Kiwa-guro

            (“shiny” black, H20 resist) dark tone 

         Manyo Ink Nadeshiko **

            (light blue) colour similar to but more 

            saturated than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower;

            (similar to PILOT Ajisai)

         Yurameku Ink Kyokkou

            light tone performs well in the nib

      TACCIA UKIYO-E

         Hiroshige-Ruri

            dry; effortless performance

      WATERMAN

         Serenity Blue **

            very wet

——————

   Tested by:

      * Como (on Feinpost or Brause Calligraphy)

      ** Carrau (on Rhodia or Staples TruRed)

      ^ Sebastian Stolz (on Feinpost)

      all others Tom Kellie (on Feinpost)

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Being a huge fan of the Platinum Music nib and the F-C Music nib, as well as the owner of a BB Lamy 2000 and a formal italic Nakaya C nib, I find myself quite curious as to how the line width of the Italic Edge compares among other very wide Italics, but just as importantly, how wet it is. 

 

My current holy grail of a nib is one that is firehose wet but with the very sharp line variation of a formal italic. You can get something like this when you use a Speedball C-series nib, which is flexible and cut a little like a right oblique music nib, but that's obviously a dip pen nib. 

 

It doesn't look like this Italic Edge has quite the line variation, but it does look like it might have the wetness. I wonder how the wetness compares to the modern Music nibs and custom ground italics? 

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4 hours ago, arcfide said:

Being a huge fan of the Platinum Music nib and the F-C Music nib, as well as the owner of a BB Lamy 2000 and a formal italic Nakaya C nib, I find myself quite curious as to how the line width of the Italic Edge compares among other very wide Italics, but just as importantly, how wet it is. 

 

My current holy grail of a nib is one that is firehose wet but with the very sharp line variation of a formal italic. You can get something like this when you use a Speedball C-series nib, which is flexible and cut a little like a right oblique music nib, but that's obviously a dip pen nib. 

 

It doesn't look like this Italic Edge has quite the line variation, but it does look like it might have the wetness. I wonder how the wetness compares to the modern Music nibs and custom ground italics? 

 

We should take this to a new thread, but I have the Platinum Music Nib, the FC music Nib, a Sailor Music nib custom ground, the Italic Edge, the Speedball, the Lamy 2000OB, a couple of Pineider Quill Stubs and several custom ground nibs.  I wrote you a letter with the nibs I have here with me.  I will scan when we I get back to the office.  For now, here is a picture of the nibs of the pens I used in your letter.   

 

In my overly inky broad stubby opinion, you either want the Pineider La Grande Bellezza Gemstone Stub or Scheaffer Legacy Heritage Stub or CI.  Good luck finding the Sheaffer.

 

Here is a review of the Pineider from @Ghost Plane

 

Note that I didn't suggest the more recent versions of the Bellezza because Pineider fixed the problem of the nib being a firehose. 

 

 

If you want to look at my writing samples, check out this thread which predates my acquisition of the MBIE.

 

 

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Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fed-Ex is claiming mine will be here tomorrow. Can't wait!

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4 hours ago, bunnspecial said:

Fed-Ex is claiming mine will be here tomorrow. Can't wait!

Congrats! Let us know how you like it.

Cheers - Nicholas

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15 hours ago, arcfide said:

 

It doesn't look like this Italic Edge has quite the line variation, but it does look like it might have the wetness. I wonder how the wetness compares to the modern Music nibs and custom ground italics? 

I know less about the geometry of the MB specialty nibs than many others (i.e., Franco on the MB 149 Calligraphy thread), and when examining the nib with a loupe, the bottom corners are rounded ( like a stub),  while the top corners are sharper (like an Italic or CI nib).  This observation is borne out in performance, as so far I have found the Italic Edge to be much more forgiving than any formal Italic nib I’ve ever written with, never catching a corner or digging into the paper. I would say even more forgiving than a Cursive Italic ground nib. If I had to guess, I’d say (mine) performs like a nib between a stub and a Cursive Italic for regular writing (effortless, requiring little if any special attention to the nib position). Fritz Schimpf indicates line widths of 0.3mm-1.3mm in horizontal and vertical directions respectively.  I measured my nib at 2.1mm in width with a micrometer.  Line width, or course, will vary with ink and paper. I haven’t seen any pictures that show the nib geometry clearly, and I don’t have the skill or equipment to provide that kind of detail.  As regards wetness, mine is very wet, making many dry inks more enjoyable to use for me.

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Glacier Blue and Italic Edge

 

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Here is the 21 August update with nine additional inks generously tested by Tom Kellie (as appear in above posts)

 

Inks for Italic Edge 100

   Recommended: Dry and | or Light Colours

   Tested:

      AKKERMAN  

         China Town Red

            very well suited to the nib

         Delft Blue **

         Koninginne Nach-Blauw

         Residentie Blauw

      BIRMINGHAM PENS

         [All looked and behaved well]

         Aluminium Oxide **

            (blue|teal grey) darker than usual,

            nearly black

         Cornflower **

            (med blue, H20 resist) slightly darker; 

            fine behaviour

         Eroded Bronze **

            (slate blue) improved saturation

            makes it usable 

         Lichen Watermark **

            (murky green) now med saturation 

         Pincushion Moss **

            (green, H20 resist) deeper green than 

             usual 

         Tattered Jute **

            (sepia, H20 resist) perfect in this pen 

      DE ATRAMENTIS  

         Kir Royal

            (scented) this complex formulation of  
            natural ingredients and pigments performs well

      COLORVERSE  

         TexMex

            high saturation 

      DIAMINE  

         Blue Black Archival Registrar’s Ink

         China Blue

         Damson

         Deep Magenta

            well behaved 

         Delamere Green

            high saturation; well lubricated

         Earl Grey **

            darker grey; more saturated than usual

         Eau de Nil

         Eclipse **

            (very dark purple) black when wet; 

            T. Kellie reports favourably 

         Golden Brown

         Green Umber

         Maroon

         Prussian Blue

         Quartz Black

            dark tone, but the nib still exhibits pleasant shading 

         Red Dragon

         Safari

            admirably suited for this pen 

         Salamander

         Sargasso Sea
      FRITZ SCHIMPF

         Fritzrot * ^

            (red) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Gelassenheit

            an ideal ink for this pen

         Gewitterwolke

         Morgenröte

         Niebla

            (misty violet) an ideal ink for this pen

         Sirimiri

         Sundowner *

            (orange) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Zwischenlicht ^ **

      J HERBIN

         Ambre de Birmanie

         Bleu Myosotis

            optimal ink flow and no skipping 

         Café des Iles

         Larmes de Cassis

         Rouge Opéra

            deep colour enhanced by this pen’s broad strokes

         Vert Empire

         Vert Réséda

            colour inspired by mignonette (Reseda) foliage

      JACQUES HERBIN

         Rouge d’Orient

      KWZ  

         Grapefruit

            high saturation 

         Honey

         [Both, below, looked and performed 

         outstandingly]

         Iron Gall Blue-Black **
           high saturation; no shading in dip test

         Iron Gall Green #3 **
           (green-black) similar colour to the tree 

            Norway spruce; high saturation; no 

            shading in dip test

      KYOTO INKS

         Kyo no Oto Aonibi **

            (slate blue) beautiful shading; slight 

            skipping; performs best in this pen

         Kyo no Oto Hisoku

         Kyo no Oto Kokeiro

         Kyo no Oto Moegiiro

            rich colour; excellent shading; top-level performance 

         Kyo no Oto Sakuranezumi

         Kyo no Oto Yamabukiiro

         Kyo-Iro Flaming Red of Fushimi

         Kyo-Iro Soft Snow of Ohara

      L’ ARTISAN PASTELLIER

         Bleu Méditerranée

         Gris de Payne

            bravura performance in this nib

         Heure Dorée

         Omi Osun

         Sepia

         Teodora

         Yalumba

      L’ ARTISAN PASTELLIER CALLIFOLIO

         Anahuac

         Bosphore

            this premium dry ink works well in the nib

         Equinoxe(6)

         Inti

      MONTBLANC

         Burgundy Red 

         Cool Grey

         Green (Hommage à the Brothers Grimm)

            dark tone; shades well; full richness of hue on display

         Mint Green (Hommage à Victoria & Albert)

            light tone; well lubricated

         Midnight Blue

         Modena Red

         Red Fox (Petit Prince)

         Royal Blue

         Scarlet Red (Hommage à Arthur Conan Doyle)

         Toffee Brown **

            (usually reddish brown) more 

            saturated; more red when wet | more 

            chocolate when dry; modest shading on

            Rhodia

      PARKER  

         Washable Blue Quink

      PELIKAN 4001  

         [Iron Gall] Blue-Black **

            T. Kellie reports this ink is an ideal match    
            for this nib as it’s notably dry

         Königsblau [Royal Blue]

         Turquoise 

         Violet

      PILOT

         Iroshizuku Ajisai **

            (light blue) colour similar to but more 

            saturated than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower

         Iroshizuku Fuyu-Syogun

         Iroshizuku Kon-Peki

         Iroshizuku Tsuyu-Kusa

      PLATINUM

         Cassis Black

      ROBERT OSTER

         Australian Opal Pink

            very light-toned ink performs in this pen

         Fire Engine Red

         Gray Seas **

            (blue-leaning grey) well behaved;

            beautiful shading 

         Midnight Sapphire **

            (grey-leaning blue) well behaved;

            lovely shading similar to PELIKAN 4001 

            Blue-Black

         Purple Rock **

            (grey purple) much more saturated |

            darker; less grey than usual; less 

            shading than usual

         Terracotta

            an ideal ink for this pen

         Vanness Blue River
      ROHRER & KLINGER

         Alt-Bordeaux

         Alt-Goldgrün

         Dokumentus Light Blue

            (H20 resist)

         Kastanienbraun

         [Iron Gall] Salix

         [Iron Gall] Scabiosa

         Verdigris

         Verdura
      SAILOR

         [Pigmented] Nano Kiwa-guro

            (“shiny” black, H20 resist) dark tone 

         Manyo Ink Nadeshiko **

            (light blue) colour similar to but more 

            saturated than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower;

            (similar to PILOT Ajisai)

         Yurameku Ink Kyokkou

            light tone performs well in the nib

      TACCIA UKIYO-E

         Hiroshige-Ruri

            dry; effortless performance

      WALDMANN

         Blue

            good shading 

      WATERMAN

         Serenity Blue **

            very wet

——————

   Tested by:

      * Como (on Feinpost or Brause Calligraphy)

      ** Carrau (on Rhodia or Staples TruRed)

      ^ Sebastian Stolz (on Feinpost)

      all others Tom Kellie (on Feinpost)

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I'm excited to report that mine arrived!

 

I think I've seen others report on this, but they included a free pad of A5 paper and two bottles of ink-Sundowner and zwichenlicht. I immediately inked up the latter, and have been enjoying the pen and ink both.

 

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And of course a nice handwritten note

 

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I'm wondering if the note was written with my pen, as the ink residue in it appeared the same as the ink used on the note(not sure what ink this is-one of the Fritz Schimpf ones I'm guessing?)

 

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In any case, the pen is a treat to use

 

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This nib really is usable as a nice, smooth EF! I didn't quite grasp this capability from the description, but after playing with it I see it.

 

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~ @bunnspecial:

 

Woo-hoo!

 

Warmest CONGRATULATIONS!

 

Thank you so much for the terrific images with handwriting samples.

 

May your Italic Edge bring much writing pleasure throughout 2022 and in the years to come.

 

      Tom K.

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@Tom Kellie

 

Thank you, and your excellent reviews and examples of this pen were what encouraged me to make the purchase!

 

I'm hopeful that over the coming weeks as well, I may be able to try some additional inks that you have not and offer my thoughts on them, although you certainly have done a lot!

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39 minutes ago, bunnspecial said:

I'm excited to report that mine arrived!

 

I think I've seen others report on this, but they included a free pad of A5 paper and two bottles of ink-Sundowner and zwichenlicht. I immediately inked up the latter, and have been enjoying the pen and ink both.

 

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And of course a nice handwritten note

 

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I'm wondering if the note was written with my pen, as the ink residue in it appeared the same as the ink used on the note(not sure what ink this is-one of the Fritz Schimpf ones I'm guessing?)

 

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In any case, the pen is a treat to use

 

IMG_2232.thumb.jpeg.08d418554c47fa3b63402c06a1c415a1.jpeg

 

This nib really is usable as a nice, smooth EF! I didn't quite grasp this capability from the description, but after playing with it I see it.

 

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Let me add my congrats as well.  It does have some unique capabilities, and so interesting to write with this.

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Scribe Indigo on 3 different papers.

 

I can't put this pen down! The ability to use this pen as an EF is a game-changer for me, as it lets me carry a single pen that both gives me a wide, bold, expressive line and an EF for small notes, annotations, etc.

 

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22 minutes ago, bunnspecial said:

[...] The ability to use this pen as an EF is a game-changer for me, as it lets me carry a single pen that both gives me a wide, bold, expressive line and an EF for small notes, annotations, etc.

 

Congratulations! Enjoy in good health!

 

For those of us who shy away from this rather exclusive pen but seek a possibility to experience the fun of a two-in-one-nib (broad and fine), I might state again that with many Sailor music nibs you can also wrote a lot finer when the pen is flipped. Sailor's zoom nibs are even designed to be used both ways. And although there the broad side might not be as impressive as with this amazing and precious MB, those of you interested might still give the humble Sailor a try.

 

(Of course, the excitement might not be the same, but neither is the hefty price tag.)

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While, as Julie mentioned, Sailor offers this capability out of the box many other pens can be easily and affordably customized in this way, the only requirement being that there is sufficient tipping material present. Most M or B nibs satisfy this requirement. I did a regrind on a battered old Parker 51 M so that normal writing became an expressive mini-stub and reverse writing became a smooth EF. The P51 is interesting in this regard because the hooded nib hides the pen’s orientation from view, so it doesn’t look like you’re writing in reverse. It really is two pens in one. A nibmeister can do this mod for a price that doesn’t even hit 10% of this exclusive MB. (For the record, I love MB!)

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