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Montblanc x Fritz Schimpf 149 Italic Edge


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Here is the 27 July update with 9 new inks generously tested by Tom Kellie (as appear in below posts)

 

Inks for Italic Edge 100

   Recommended: Dry and | or Light Colours

   Tested:

      AKKERMAN  

         Delft Blue **

      BIRMINGHAM PENS

         [All looked and behaved well]

         Aluminium Oxide **

            (blue|teal grey) darker than usual,

            nearly black

         Cornflower **

            (med blue, H20 resist) slightly darker; 

            fine behaviour

         Eroded Bronze **

            (slate blue) improved saturation

            makes it usable 

         Lichen Watermark **

            (murky green) now med saturation 

         Pincushion Moss **

            (green, H20 resist) deeper green than 

             usual 

         Tattered Jute **

            (sepia, H20 resist) perfect in this pen 

      DIAMINE  

         China Blue

         Damson

         Delamere Green

            high saturation; well lubricated

         Earl Grey **

            darker grey; more saturated than usual

         Eclipse **

            (very dark purple) black when wet

         Prussian Blue

         Red Dragon

         Salamander

         Sargasso Sea
      FRITZ SCHIMPF

         Fritzrot * ^

            (red) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Gelassenheit

            an ideal ink for this pen

         Gewitterwolke

         Morgenröte

         Niebla

            (misty violet) an ideal ink for this pen

         Sirimiri

         Sundowner *

            (orange) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Zwischenlicht ^ **

      J HERBIN

         Café des Iles

         Rouge Opéra

            deep colour enhanced by this pen’s broad strokes

         Vert Empire

      KWZ  

         Honey

         Grapefruit

            high saturation 

         [Both, below, looked and performed 

         outstandingly]

         Iron Gall Blue-Black **
           high saturation; no shading in dip test

         Iron Gall Green #3 **
           (green-black) similar colour to the tree 

            Norway spruce; high saturation; no 

            shading in dip test

      KYOTO INKS

         Kyo no Oto Aonibi **

            (slate blue) beautiful shading; slight 

            skipping; performs best in this pen

         Kyo-Iro Flaming Red of Fushimi

         Kyo-Iro Soft Snow of Ohara

      L’ ARTISAN PASTELLIER

         Bleu Méditerranée

         Gris de Payne

            bravura performance in this nib

         Omi Osun

         Sepia

         Yalumba

      MONTBLANC

         Burgundy Red 

         Cool Grey

         Modena Red

         Toffee Brown **

            (usually reddish brown) more 

            saturated; more red when wet | more 

            chocolate when dry; modest shading on

            Rhodia

      PELIKAN 4001  

         [Iron Gall] Blue-Black **

         Königsblau [Royal Blue]

      PILOT

         Iroshizuku Ajisai **

            (light blue) similar to but more 

            saturated colour than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower

         Iroshizuku Kon-Peki
      ROBERT OSTER

         Gray Seas **

            (blue-leaning grey) well behaved;

            beautiful shading 

         Midnight Sapphire **

            (grey-leaning blue) well behaved;

            lovely shading similar to PELIKAN 4001 

            Blue-Black

         Purple Rock **

            (grey purple) much more saturated |

            darker; less grey than usual; less 

            shading than usual

         Terracotta

            an ideal ink for this pen
      ROHRER & KLINGER

         Alt-Goldgrün

         [Iron Gall] Salix
      SAILOR

         Manyo Ink Nadeshiko **

            (light blue) similar to but more 

            saturated colour than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower;

            (similar to PILOT Ajisai)

      TACCIA UKIYO-E

         Hiroshige-Ruri

            dry; effortless performance

      WATERMAN

         Serenity Blue **

            very wet

——————

   Tested by:

      * Como (on Feinpost or Brause Calligraphy)

      ** Carrau (on Rhodia or Staples TruRed)

      ^ Sebastian Stolz (on Feinpost)

      all others Tom Kellie (on Feinpost)

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Hello everyone,

this nib is very attractive. Nevertheless, I am still having trouble getting an idea of the width of the stroke. On Fritz Schimpf's site it is described as 1.40mm, which seems to be more or less what I get from my m800 IB. That being said, when I look at the nicely provided writing samples in this thread, I get the impression that this nib does not write as wide as the m800 IB (which is extremely fun to play  with but a little too broad for my day to day use). 
Could this be due to the "rotating" feature of this specific nib allowing for flexible width? Or is this feature an "on or off" (I mean: either 4B or EEF but nothing in between)?

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~ @poti67:

 

Thank you for your comment.

 

There are three Pelikan M800 IBs on my writing desk, all provided by Fritz Schimpf, and all with a Fritz Schimpf Italic Grind.

 

The Italic Edge nib lays down strokes on paper which vary with both fingertip pressure and with the angle of the nib face to the paper surface.

 

The fine lines in posted photos from various users are achieved by rotating the nib approximately 70º to the left.

 

The Italic Edge strokes have generally seemed wider than than Pelikan M800 IB strokes, yet no less crisp.

 

The Italic Edge provides a generous ink flow, therefore inks which are regarded as being more dry make possible less broad strokes.

 

The more well-lubricated inks typically provide wider strokes which are nonetheless legible.

 

Experimenting with the pen's angle relative to the paper also results in varying ink stroke widths.

 

When the pen is held in the fingertips more or less straight up from the paper surface, the line produced is different than when the pen is held at a low angle in the fingertips.

 

As with most broader nibs, the Italic Edge nib might not be the ideal choice for the small, detailed annotations of a scholar.

 

Rather, Italic Edge does well on A4 paper where ample space makes it possible to expansively write or sketch.

 

What's great fun, as noted by @JulieParadise, is to see the rich display of ink color which such broad strokes provide.

 

In the ink and handwriting samples posted, it's evident that lines vary in width, e.g. when the pen is being lifted at the end of a stroke, there's a diminution of width.

 

Italic Edge is easy to manage and great fun in regular daily use. As with any fountain pen nib, it's not designed for all needs, but does greatly please in many ways.

 

         Tom K.

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@Tom Kellie: Thank you for the clear explanations. They clear up my concern perfectly. Now I know that this pen is probably not the one I am looking for. Maybe a standard 149 with a B nip and a Fritz Schimpf Italic Grind would be more up to my expectations. But that would be a whole new topic.

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Here is the 27 July update with 9 new inks generously tested by Tom Kellie (as appear in above posts)

 

Inks for Italic Edge 100

   Recommended: Dry and | or Light Colours

   Tested:

      AKKERMAN  

         Delft Blue **

      BIRMINGHAM PENS

         [All looked and behaved well]

         Aluminium Oxide **

            (blue|teal grey) darker than usual,

            nearly black

         Cornflower **

            (med blue, H20 resist) slightly darker; 

            fine behaviour

         Eroded Bronze **

            (slate blue) improved saturation

            makes it usable 

         Lichen Watermark **

            (murky green) now med saturation 

         Pincushion Moss **

            (green, H20 resist) deeper green than 

             usual 

         Tattered Jute **

            (sepia, H20 resist) perfect in this pen 

      DIAMINE  

         China Blue

         Damson

         Delamere Green

            high saturation; well lubricated

         Earl Grey **

            darker grey; more saturated than usual

         Eclipse **

            (very dark purple) black when wet

         Prussian Blue

         Red Dragon

         Salamander

         Sargasso Sea
      FRITZ SCHIMPF

         Fritzrot * ^

            (red) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Gelassenheit

            an ideal ink for this pen

         Gewitterwolke

         Morgenröte

         Niebla

            (misty violet) an ideal ink for this pen

         Sirimiri

         Sundowner *

            (orange) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Zwischenlicht ^ **

      J HERBIN

         Café des Iles

         Rouge Opéra

            deep colour enhanced by this pen’s broad strokes

         Vert Empire

      KWZ  

         Honey

         Grapefruit

            high saturation 

         [Both, below, looked and performed 

         outstandingly]

         Iron Gall Blue-Black **
           high saturation; no shading in dip test

         Iron Gall Green #3 **
           (green-black) similar colour to the tree 

            Norway spruce; high saturation; no 

            shading in dip test

      KYOTO INKS

         Kyo no Oto Aonibi **

            (slate blue) beautiful shading; slight 

            skipping; performs best in this pen

         Kyo-Iro Flaming Red of Fushimi

         Kyo-Iro Soft Snow of Ohara

      L’ ARTISAN PASTELLIER

         Bleu Méditerranée

         Gris de Payne

            bravura performance in this nib

         Omi Osun

         Sepia

         Yalumba

      MONTBLANC

         Burgundy Red 

         Cool Grey

         Modena Red

         Toffee Brown **

            (usually reddish brown) more 

            saturated; more red when wet | more 

            chocolate when dry; modest shading on

            Rhodia

      PELIKAN 4001  

         [Iron Gall] Blue-Black **

         Königsblau [Royal Blue]

      PILOT

         Iroshizuku Ajisai **

            (light blue) similar to but more 

            saturated colour than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower

         Iroshizuku Kon-Peki
      ROBERT OSTER

         Gray Seas **

            (blue-leaning grey) well behaved;

            beautiful shading 

         Midnight Sapphire **

            (grey-leaning blue) well behaved;

            lovely shading similar to PELIKAN 4001 

            Blue-Black

         Purple Rock **

            (grey purple) much more saturated |

            darker; less grey than usual; less 

            shading than usual

         Terracotta

            an ideal ink for this pen
      ROHRER & KLINGER

         Alt-Goldgrün

         [Iron Gall] Salix
      SAILOR

         Manyo Ink Nadeshiko **

            (light blue) similar to but more 

            saturated colour than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower;

            (similar to PILOT Ajisai)

      TACCIA UKIYO-E

         Hiroshige-Ruri

            dry; effortless performance

      WATERMAN

         Serenity Blue **

            very wet

——————

   Tested by:

      * Como (on Feinpost or Brause Calligraphy)

      ** Carrau (on Rhodia or Staples TruRed)

      ^ Sebastian Stolz (on Feinpost)

      all others Tom Kellie (on Feinpost)

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16 hours ago, poti67 said:

@Tom Kellie: Thank you for the clear explanations. They clear up my concern perfectly. Now I know that this pen is probably not the one I am looking for. Maybe a standard 149 with a B nip and a Fritz Schimpf Italic Grind would be more up to my expectations. But that would be a whole new topic.

 

I compared several nibs. I think if the IB is too broad, then this would be too broad for you.

 

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Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I started to learn some new scripts with this pen upon suggestion from a dear pen friend: Gothic and Caroline here. It’s nice to mix them up a little as writing Gothic alone for long can be visually tiring.

 

The Montblanc Fritz Schimpf Italic Edge is a carefully designed nib great for both calligraphy and daily writing, which I have been having lots of fun with.

 

Paper: Brause Calligraphy pad of A5 size

Ink: Fritz Schimpf Sundowner

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@comoThank you for gracing the thread with these two scripts, the shapes for which seem very well formed already by your hand.  I would imagine that writing only in Gothic for lengthy periods might be physically as well as visually tiring.  
 

Caroline, with its clear and graceful lines, not only appears an ideal refresher from Gothic — and whatever undoubtedly lovely illuminated manuscript I like to fantasise that you might be preparing to labour over, Como — but has great appeal on its own merits.

 

Sundowner looks a treat laid down at your skilled hand by this special collaborative effort of Montblanc and Fritz Schimpf.

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@Tom KellieThank you for this latest installment of your unique, beautifully composed, and entertaining ink studies.

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Here is the 28 July update with a dozen new inks generously tested by Tom Kellie (as appear in above posts)

 

Inks for Italic Edge 100

   Recommended: Dry and | or Light Colours

   Tested:

      AKKERMAN  

         Delft Blue **

         Residentie Blauw

      BIRMINGHAM PENS

         [All looked and behaved well]

         Aluminium Oxide **

            (blue|teal grey) darker than usual,

            nearly black

         Cornflower **

            (med blue, H20 resist) slightly darker; 

            fine behaviour

         Eroded Bronze **

            (slate blue) improved saturation

            makes it usable 

         Lichen Watermark **

            (murky green) now med saturation 

         Pincushion Moss **

            (green, H20 resist) deeper green than 

             usual 

         Tattered Jute **

            (sepia, H20 resist) perfect in this pen 

      DIAMINE  

         Blue Black Archival Registrar’s Ink

         China Blue

         Damson

         Delamere Green

            high saturation; well lubricated

         Earl Grey **

            darker grey; more saturated than usual

         Eclipse **

            (very dark purple) black when wet

         Golden Brown

         Prussian Blue

         Red Dragon

         Salamander

         Sargasso Sea
      FRITZ SCHIMPF

         Fritzrot * ^

            (red) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Gelassenheit

            an ideal ink for this pen

         Gewitterwolke

         Morgenröte

         Niebla

            (misty violet) an ideal ink for this pen

         Sirimiri

         Sundowner *

            (orange) wet; good saturation; good 

            shading

         Zwischenlicht ^ **

      J HERBIN

         Café des Iles

         Larmes de Cassis

         Rouge Opéra

            deep colour enhanced by this pen’s broad strokes

         Vert Empire

      JACQUES HERBIN

         Rouge d’Orient

      KWZ  

         Honey

         Grapefruit

            high saturation 

         [Both, below, looked and performed 

         outstandingly]

         Iron Gall Blue-Black **
           high saturation; no shading in dip test

         Iron Gall Green #3 **
           (green-black) similar colour to the tree 

            Norway spruce; high saturation; no 

            shading in dip test

      KYOTO INKS

         Kyo no Oto Aonibi **

            (slate blue) beautiful shading; slight 

            skipping; performs best in this pen

         Kyo-Iro Flaming Red of Fushimi

         Kyo-Iro Soft Snow of Ohara

      L’ ARTISAN PASTELLIER

         Bleu Méditerranée

         Gris de Payne

            bravura performance in this nib

         Heure Dorée

         Omi Osun

         Sepia

         Teodora

         Yalumba

      MONTBLANC

         Burgundy Red 

         Cool Grey

         Modena Red

         Toffee Brown **

            (usually reddish brown) more 

            saturated; more red when wet | more 

            chocolate when dry; modest shading on

            Rhodia

         Hommage à Victoria & Albert Mint Green

            light tone; well lubricated

      PELIKAN 4001  

         [Iron Gall] Blue-Black **

         Königsblau [Royal Blue]

         Violet

      PILOT

         Iroshizuku Ajisai **

            (light blue) similar to but more 

            saturated colour than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower

         Iroshizuku Fuyu-Syogun

         Iroshizuku Kon-Peki
      ROBERT OSTER

         Gray Seas **

            (blue-leaning grey) well behaved;

            beautiful shading 

         Midnight Sapphire **

            (grey-leaning blue) well behaved;

            lovely shading similar to PELIKAN 4001 

            Blue-Black

         Purple Rock **

            (grey purple) much more saturated |

            darker; less grey than usual; less 

            shading than usual

         Terracotta

            an ideal ink for this pen
      ROHRER & KLINGER

         Alt-Goldgrün

         [Iron Gall] Salix

         Verdigris
      SAILOR

         [Pigmented] Nano Kiwa-guro

            (“shiny” black, H20 resist) dark tone 

         Manyo Ink Nadeshiko **

            (light blue) similar to but more 

            saturated colour than the flowers the Cape 

            Jasmine (Plumbago) and the Cornflower;

            (similar to PILOT Ajisai)

      TACCIA UKIYO-E

         Hiroshige-Ruri

            dry; effortless performance

      WATERMAN

         Serenity Blue **

            very wet

——————

   Tested by:

      * Como (on Feinpost or Brause Calligraphy)

      ** Carrau (on Rhodia or Staples TruRed)

      ^ Sebastian Stolz (on Feinpost)

      all others Tom Kellie (on Feinpost)

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~ @NoType:

 

Thank you so much for your helpful summary.

 

Your careful work may encourage others to consider adding Italic Edge to their writing desk.

 

The nib brings out the rich color tones of quality inks.

 

******

 

In addition to what's been listed above, the following were also shown today:

 

      •  Pilot Iroshizuku Fuyu-Syogun

 

      •  Rohrer & Klingner Verdigris

 

      •  Sailor Kiwaguro

 

      •  Pelikan 4001 Violet

 

******

 

In another thread concerning Italic Edge (in the Mall) I was asked if there was any compensation for posting handwriting samples and photos.

 

I replied that there is no form of compensation or discount. The only compensation is the unalloyed joy of using a wonderful fountain pen nib with outstanding inks.

 

Again, many thanks for your ink use summary for Italic Edge.

 

         Tom K.

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