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I had guests over, so I let my Lamy Joy pens sit unused for a few weeks.  In one of them the ink seemed to dry out "solid"? Not sure. Has anyone experienced this? These pens were all stored horizontally, so it's a bit odd to see what I am looking at in the photo. The other Lamy Joys fired up just fine after a few strokes of the pen. Not sure if this matters at all, but the ink in this case is Pilot Iroshizuku Yu-Yake.

 

TIA,

 

Tommy

 

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36 minutes ago, tommym said:

In one of them the ink seemed to dry out "solid"? Not sure.

 

If all the solvent in the ink has evaporated, the dyestuff particles that remain would usually appear rather opaque. I'm not convinced that what you see inside the converter's tube is solid as opposed to fluid; and dried ink would occupy far less volume anyway. You can try driving the piston forward by rotating the red handle stem, and see whether the substance inside the clear tube offer solid resistance.

 

My guess is that only your pen's feed is clogged by dried ink, and the bulk of the crud in its ink channel is not getting sufficiently dissolved by exposure to the solvents in (possibly thickened) ink with such a small cross-sectional area at the interface between solid crud and liquid ink.

 

45 minutes ago, tommym said:

Not sure if this matters at all, but the ink in this case is Pilot Iroshizuku Yu-Yake.

 

Red and orange inks are more apt to form crud, with no particular regard to brand, in my experience and observation.

 

I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present, when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable; and link to third-party content where I can, when I make a claim or refute a statement of fact in a thread. If there is something you can verify for yourself, I entreat you to do so, and judge for yourself what is right, correct for valid. I may be wrong, and my position or say-so is no more authoritative and carries no more weight than anyone else's here.

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I will wash the pen and then try a different ink. Maybe is only a minor problem because the pen was not used for certain time.

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Odd, it was not solid but was like a super thick syrup that required using the plunger to force it out. I'll try the same ink in one of the other Lamy Joys to rule out any issue with this specific pen and converter.

 

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20 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

...Red and orange inks are more apt to form crud, with no particular regard to brand, in my experience and observation.

 

 

I'm thinking a wetter flowing ink is less likely to clog? That being said, do you know of any wet flowing orange inks?

 

TIA,

 

Tommy

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17 minutes ago, tommym said:

I'm thinking a wetter flowing ink is less likely to clog?

 

A pen with superior cap sealing effectiveness is less likely to clog. Try a Platinum #3776 Century (but not the celluloid models, or models with snap-caps, e.g. the briar ones), or a Platinum Preppy on the budget end.

 

25 minutes ago, tommym said:

That being said, do you know of any wet flowing orange inks?

 

I don't recall Yu-yake being dry-flowing by any means:

 

Anyway, wet-flowing does not mean the solvents in the ink are less likely to evaporate leaving behind only the dyestuff.

I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present, when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable; and link to third-party content where I can, when I make a claim or refute a statement of fact in a thread. If there is something you can verify for yourself, I entreat you to do so, and judge for yourself what is right, correct for valid. I may be wrong, and my position or say-so is no more authoritative and carries no more weight than anyone else's here.

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Thank you for all of your answers. Lots to think about and research on my part. But I guess that is part of the fun with this hobby of ours.

 

Tommy

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You can read this thread:

 

 

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So, here is my experience.

 

Yu Yake is a wet ink.

 

The problem is that wet inks can gel when left alone too long.  When we were doing the Susemai ink trials, we found you could take those ink gels and shake the pen / converter and the ink would flow again. It was crazy and disturbing.

 

You should be able to wash out Yu Yake with no issues.  Use dish soap during your second flush and then flush with water.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, amberleadavis said:

we found you could take those ink gels and shake the pen / converter and the ink would flow again. It was crazy and disturbing.

Some woodworking glues behave like that also.

 

It can happen that a half-used bottle of PVA type glue becomes a stiff gel that will not budge from the bottom of the bottle. This can happen if a bottle is left fully sealed but unused for a few weeks. (Not an evaporation problem, but some other gelling process.)

 

A proven technique to make the glue runny again is to bash the flat bottom of the (plastic!) bottle down onto the workbench a few times.  The shock waves somehow break the gel structure and the glue flows freely again.

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21 hours ago, amberleadavis said:

You can read this thread:

 

 

 

Wow! There goes my weekend! Thanks so much for the link.

 

Tommy

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On 5/11/2022 at 4:42 PM, amberleadavis said:

So, here is my experience.

 

Yu Yake is a wet ink.

 

The problem is that wet inks can gel when left alone too long.  When we were doing the Susemai ink trials, we found you could take those ink gels and shake the pen / converter and the ink would flow again. It was crazy and disturbing.

 

You should be able to wash out Yu Yake with no issues.  Use dish soap during your second flush and then flush with water.

 

How much dish soap are you using in the rinse?

 

Tommy

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On 5/12/2022 at 2:16 PM, dipper said:

A proven technique to make the glue runny again is to bash the flat bottom of the (plastic!) bottle down onto the workbench a few times.  The shock waves somehow break the gel structure and the glue flows freely again.

 

I might try that technique with my pen next time. :D

 

Tommy

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On 5/14/2022 at 11:17 AM, tommym said:

 

How much dish soap are you using in the rinse?

 

Tommy

 

As if you were washing dishes.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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