Help Figuring Out what model Pen this is?

[jmaville]

Hi I am new to the forum I have a Waterman 's Ideal Ripple?  Cant find this model anywhere though.... Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance

 

[Mr.Rene]

Hello

I just know your pen is a DESK pen..you need the "base" too. Regards

[joss]

It is a desk pen indeed. The colour of your pen is olive ripple which was introduced in 1928. These late 1920s desk pens came with the Waterman "Gyro-Sheath" desk bases, such as this one:

 

 

picture from worthpoint.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[shalitha33]

As far as I know its a waterman red-ripple desk pen. They would have had a cap to go with the pen too which fits in to a ball shaped desk mount. Although I could be mistaken here. I'm no expert in this matter :(.  There is also a version with a pencil at the end replacing the end bit ( it unscrews).


Cap that acts as a part of the desk holder. this is from the pen pencil combo.

Although this comes with a clip its totally impractical to use. I think it works as the locking system to hold this part in to the desk base. sadly I don't have a matching desk base :(. Page 39 of Waterman Past and Present The First Six Decades book contains an example of this desk mount. Although I'm not sure if pens marked "ripple" are newer than that :(.

 

Both desk pens , BHR with pen + pencil and blue ripple with just pen. What I have are about the same thickness as the 52 1/2v .  Desk base here is unfortunately wrong for these 2 pens

 

 

Imprint on the blue ripple with the "Ripple" wording as in your pen.

 

[shalitha33]

Actually I'm wrong  sorry. That cap might be much older

1929 desk set catalog 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VLnAEr7ZpHO53qM8pRPJgaiKSatVb6Uw/view

1925 catalog page 98
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZQkBei_F_ysS3GkymVHI-RymC12XGSW-/view 

[joss]

27 minutes ago, shalitha33 said:

Actually I'm wrong  sorry. That cap might be much older

1929 desk set catalog 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VLnAEr7ZpHO53qM8pRPJgaiKSatVb6Uw/view

1925 catalog page 98
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZQkBei_F_ysS3GkymVHI-RymC12XGSW-/view 

 

The "big ball" desk base in which that oddly shaped cap fits is indeed earlier, it must be late 1926 according to scarce advertisements showing this base. It came only in black or red ripple with base, cap and pen in matching colour as pictured in the Waterman book.

 

But the last pages that are included in the copy scans of the 1925 catalog from the PCA library are not original to the 1925 catalog. The sheet that is shown on page 98-99 dates to 1928 or later because the ripple colours roze, blue-green and olive were introduced in the first quarter of 1928. The colour of the OP's pen is olive ripple.

 

The blue-green ripple desk pen is very attractive by the way.