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I have no idea what kind of pens these are, but I really like the way they write and the little penguin on the peach one. 

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The turquoise pen in the photo is a Sailor Profit Jr.

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Judging by the hooded nibs on the yellow and pink ones, they're chinese. 

 

Pens with nibs like yours show up all the time in aliexpress. I just searched on ebay and none came up, but they're a dime a dozen, so if you like them, you can very easily amass a vast collection.

 

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5 minutes ago, alexwi said:

Pens with nibs like yours show up all the time in aliexpress

 

… often advertised or specified as having ‘financial’ nibs.

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So I 

15 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

The turquoise pen in the photo is a Sailor Profit Jr.

I forgot to mention that this one I have the packaging for, so it’s the peach and yellow ones that I need information on. However, the only non Japanese wording on the packaging is Sailor and Kurogane, and when I googled it, the pen that shows up is leagues better. 

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12 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

… often advertised or specified as having ‘financial’ nibs.

This was helpful, and I found more on Ali Express as Alex suggested (thank you, Alex from NJ). While I didn’t find these exact ones (was hoping the penguin graphic one had other colors), I did find other cute penguin school pens and fancier financial nibbed pens. The Chinese pen market is so vast and there’s so much to learn. 

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2 hours ago, Penguincollector said:

However, the only non Japanese wording on the packaging is Sailor and Kurogane, and when I googled it, the pen that shows up is leagues better. 

 

Don't confuse these:

https://www.pensachi.com/collections/sailor-1911-profit-kurogane-fountain-pens

with this:

https://www.pensachi.com/products/sailor-110-anniversary-fountain-pen-kurogane

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There’s no confusion between a pen with a steel nib I paid $10 for and that lovely 110 anniversary pen. That lovely Sailor collab with a penguin that Number 99 found has been added to my must haves. 

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On 3/31/2022 at 9:02 AM, Penguincollector said:

There’s no confusion between a pen with a steel nib I paid $10 for

 

If you managed to get a new, genuine Sailor Profit Jr. (by any other name) for $10, that's a steal! Well done.

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It was at an art supply store in a bargain bin. The store is slightly magical, I think. The first time I went in I found a set of Parker 51s for $8, one with a gold nib and 10k gf cap, old Platignum cartridges that fit this old pen that I was never able to ink for 99 cents, and a new bottle of Pelikan Edelstein ink for $10.  

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On 3/29/2022 at 9:33 PM, A Smug Dill said:

 

… often advertised or specified as having ‘financial’ nibs.

What does ‘financial’ mean in this context? By observation on AliExpress, it seems to mean a hooded nib, possibly EF? I see the term used often and it caught my interest because I do like EFs excessively. 

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I think financial nib in this case mean accountant nib in Western = very fine line

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4 hours ago, Dan Carmell said:

What does ‘financial’ mean in this context? By observation on AliExpress, it seems to mean a hooded nib, possibly EF?

 

Yep, hooded and nominally 0.38mm round-tipped. I don't know with certainty why they are called ‘financial’ nibs, any more then why the very fine Japanese nibs with a downward bend at the tip are ‘posting’ nibs.

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1 hour ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Yep, hooded and nominally 0.38mm round-tipped. I don't know with certainty why they are called ‘financial’ nibs, any more then why the very fine Japanese nibs with a downward bend at the tip are ‘posting’ nibs.

When kpong11 confirmed Financial = Accountant, I thought it must be something like that. And certainly a hooded nib almost guarantees the appropriate stiffness. The posting nib I’ve never used, but I’ve used a variety of vintage and Japanese ‘Account’ nibs, since I favor a firm EF in many contexts. Which is why most Chinese nibs are perfect for me. Thanks. 

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3 hours ago, kpong11 said:

I think financial nib in this case mean …

 

25 minutes ago, Dan Carmell said:

When kpong11 confirmed Financial = Accountant,

 

With due respect to @kpong11, I wouldn't call an opinion confirmation. That's why I wrote, ”I don't know with certainty”, because I cannot find any authoritative information source stating how those nibs came to be named thus, or even cite a long history of it being industry convention (in China and/or elsewhere).

 

28 minutes ago, Dan Carmell said:

And certainly a hooded nib almost guarantees the appropriate stiffness.

 

Not really. I have many Chinese pens with ‘financial’ nibs here, and not all of those nibs are in physical contact with the hood to rely on it for physical support (against any attempt to elastically or inelastically deform it, eg. to flex it). The shape of the piece of metal that forms the nib has more to do with its stiffness than whether it protrudes from a hood on the gripping section.

 

31 minutes ago, Dan Carmell said:

… I favor a firm EF in many contexts. Which is why most Chinese nibs are perfect for me.

 

Rare is the Chinese EF nib that writes finer than an F nib produced by one of the Japanese ‘Big Three’ brands in the fountain pen industry. The (often non-authoritatively called “#5”) 26mm EF nibs from HongDian, Majohn/Moonman, and Delike tend to write quite fine, partly on account of being tuned to write quite dryly; but I can't say the same for most (supposedly “#6”) 32mm–35mm EF nibs from China writing as finely.

 

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21 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Yep, hooded and nominally 0.38mm round-tipped. I don't know with certainty why they are called ‘financial’ nibs, any more then why the very fine Japanese nibs with a downward bend at the tip are ‘posting’ nibs.

It seems that it was supposed to be used for posting accounting books.

 

 However, the naming is a long time ago.

The linked article is in Japanese.

http://pelikan.livedoor.biz/archives/50933381.html

 

 

 

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On 4/8/2022 at 12:45 AM, Number99 said:

However, the naming is a long time ago.

The linked article is in Japanese.

http://pelikan.livedoor.biz/archives/50933381.html

 

I'm been remiss in not thanking you for linking us to it. Interesting reading. Thank you!

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1 hour ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

I'm been remiss in not thanking you for linking us to it. Interesting reading. Thank you!

Hello.

 

The author of this article is based on the book of the Pilot's production manager 90 years ago (written in a difficult old style).

 Therefore, I think it is full of reliable information.

 I was worried about whether an accurate translation would be possible because the author wrote it in "Old Grandpa's Tone".

 It's a fun style for me as a Japanese, but it may be an esoteric and unexpected language for "Google-san".

 

 Regarding the fact that the pen tip is pointing down, this is my personal opinion, but I think it is the result of pursuing a shape that does not open the pen tip so as to keep the line width constant.

 

 

 

 

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