Inky T O D - Has it become hoarding?

[A Smug Dill]

3 minutes ago, LizEF said:

Perhaps I should start a recovery¹ program for EF-aholics with an overly-large ink stash.  We could work our way up to larger and larger nibs, post samples of our progress writing larger and larger characters,

 

I dunno. To me, using an EF nib never had the inescapable logical equivalence with laying down less ink (by volume) per unit area covered by ink marks. If I can put umpteen parallel lines inside a 5mm×5mm square area on the page, that's a lot of area — more than 50% of the 25mm² — covered in ink, and if it's a reasonably wet-writing nib, probably more densely deposited ink than if a 1.9mm Stub/Italic nib was used to spread ink in a single continuous stripe. It just takes longer to make so many pen strokes and ‘colour in’ the page, to form whatever larger symbols or overall visual effect.

 

[LizEF]

56 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

It just takes longer to make so many pen strokes and ‘colour in’ the page, to form whatever larger symbols or overall visual effect.

I think that's the point - so we could have dual "ink consumption" paths - one where we write lots and lots really small (for those who are OK copying War and Peace, for example), and one where we transition to gigantic nibs and write very little, very large.

[AmandaW]

8 hours ago, LizEF said:

We could work our way up to larger and larger nibs

 

And take up drawing....  with a Pilot Falcon, because it can be turned over and the back of the nib used flat for a wide brush effect. It uses so much ink the pen could use an IV line straight into a bottle!

[LizEF]

Just now, AmandaW said:

And take up drawing....  with a Pilot Falcon, because it can be turned over and the back of the nib used flat for a wide brush effect. It uses so much ink the pen could use an IV line straight into a bottle!

  I do love that fact about the Falcon!  (The wide brush effect, not the "feed me more" part.)

[I-am-not-really-here]

Is reverse writing a Falcon wider than a Parallel 6mm?

[AmandaW]

31 minutes ago, I-am-not-really-here said:

Is reverse writing a Falcon wider than a Parallel 6mm?

 

Can be, but it's different: more variable in a controllable way. This is with a SEF Falcon.

 

[I-am-not-really-here]

Interesting, thanks for the demo.  
 

 

[inkstainedruth]

23 hours ago, AmandaW said:

@inkstainedruthhas a few

Yes but I'm not *in* Antartica....  The closest I've ever even BEEN to Antartica is that my parents took a cruise there (my mom never got off the boat, and my dad got as far as some island off the coast that had hot springs) and a guy I know slightly has worked at McMurdo Station as a cook and the station's IT guy.

There are some inks that I have more than one bottle of (and a couple I do have 3 of, including (the much discussed ink in this thread) Edelstein Smoky Quartz.  But I do get samples as much as humanly possible because there are a lot of inks that I'm GLAD I tried first and would have been totally PO'd to have gotten a full bottle and then really hated the ink (I have done that in a couple of instances and afterwards was going "OMG -- Why did I BUY this?" [Okay, I only bought Noodler's Harold's Hearse because of the name..., not realizing just how AWFUL the color was going to be on cheap absorbent paper.... ]

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[AmandaW]

2 minutes ago, inkstainedruth said:

Yes but I'm not *in* Antartica....  

 

Oh, I thought the question started out wondering who had ink stores in the US. Then Antarctica was raised, so we decided in your absence that we could send you. Would you not like to be the first Great Ink Supply in the most southern continent?

[inkstainedruth]

Given that I HATE cold weather and snow?   No, not really.... 

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[AmandaW]

2 minutes ago, inkstainedruth said:

Given that I HATE cold weather and snow?   No, not really.... 

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

I would happily volunteer and would rush to pack my beloved Polar Brown if I thought it possible. I did once look at the possibility of applying to the artist in residency program, but I have asthma which appeared to rule me out.

[Arkanabar]

I'm going to get all dry and pedantic here.  It becomes hoarding when it is compulsive AND it makes your life difficult in specific ways:

• The piles of stuff inhibit/interfere with your social life, OR
• they prevent access to parts of your home, OR
• they interfere with activities of daily living -- hygiene, dressing, eating/preparing food, etc.

The root cause is generally thought to be anxiety, which will likely have to be treated before the stockpiles can be reduced.

 

By the way, @amberleadavis, the link next to my name is to this thread, not to wherever I was discussing stockpile reduction.

[amberleadavis]

7 hours ago, Arkanabar said:

I'm going to get all dry and pedantic here.  It becomes hoarding when it is compulsive AND it makes your life difficult in specific ways:

• The piles of stuff inhibit/interfere with your social life, OR
• they prevent access to parts of your home, OR
• they interfere with activities of daily living -- hygiene, dressing, eating/preparing food, etc.

The root cause is generally thought to be anxiety, which will likely have to be treated before the stockpiles can be reduced.

 

By the way, @amberleadavis, the link next to my name is to this thread, not to wherever I was discussing stockpile reduction.

 

Thank you - FIXED the link.

 

[A Smug Dill]

11 hours ago, Arkanabar said:

I'm going to get all dry and pedantic here.  It becomes hoarding when it is compulsive AND it makes your life difficult in specific ways:

 

I don't think hoarding should be narrowly regarded as some disorder that one could find described one way or another is the DSM-V. Pirates and dragons keeping and zealously guarding their caches of treasures, multi-millionaires (but not billionaires, who probably have so much they just don't care) holding onto their wealth, etc. is still hoarding, even if they (i) don't really plan on ‘using’ any of it or see such possessions as what comes and goes, and (ii) it doesn't make their lives difficult, beyond taking focus and energy away from other endeavours bystanders imagine could be “better uses”.

 

[amberleadavis]

3 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

I don't think hoarding should be narrowly regarded as some disorder that one could find described one way or another is the DSM-V. Pirates and dragons keeping and zealously guarding their caches of treasures, multi-millionaires (but not billionaires, who probably have so much they just don't care) holding onto their wealth, etc. is still hoarding, even if they (i) don't really plan on ‘using’ any of it or see such possessions as what comes and goes, and (ii) it doesn't make their lives difficult, beyond taking focus and energy away from other endeavours bystanders imagine could be “better uses”.

 

 

 

If I could draw, I'd have an Inky dragon jealously guarding his inky stash!

[PithyProlix]

How about a simple, measurable definition such as:

• If you have more than, say, 50 (?; maybe not the right number) bottles of ink, what percentage of those have you used for one fill or less? (Corollary: You are not hoarding if have 50 or less.)
• Of those, what percentage have you not opened in more than a year?
• [Some other measure for duplicate bottles that will likely go unused.] 

Idea: Has there there ever been an ink bottle exchange organized here, e.g. multiple folks list the bottles that are longer wanted and how much ink is left in each of those bottles, each list is shared, and individuals work out exchanges? 

[A Smug Dill]

1 hour ago, PithyProlix said:

Idea: Has there there ever been an ink bottle exchange organized here,

 

Probably. https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/forum/145-pay-it-forward-loaner-programs-group-buys/

 

1 hour ago, PithyProlix said:

e.g. multiple folks list the bottles that are longer wanted and how much ink is left in each of those bottles, each list is shared, and individuals work out exchanges? 

 

I organised something of a travelling caravan for redistributing personally unwanted surplus products, but there hasn't been all that much traction, although to my surprise it hasn't died up someone's exhaust vent or disappeared into the ether completely yet.

 

[PithyProlix]

2 hours ago, PithyProlix said:

Idea: Has there there ever been an ink bottle exchange organized here, e.g. multiple folks list the bottles that are longer wanted and how much ink is left in each of those bottles, each list is shared, and individuals work out exchanges? 

 

56 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Probably. https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/forum/145-pay-it-forward-loaner-programs-group-buys/

 

 

I organised something of a travelling caravan for redistributing personally unwanted surplus products, but there hasn't been all that much traction, although to my surprise it hasn't died up someone's exhaust vent or disappeared into the ether completely yet.

 

 

The idea I had in mind for exchange is different from PIF, loaning, group buys, or the 'travelling caravan' (cool idea, though). My idea is that everyone who wants to participate publishes a list of bottles that they are willing to 'let go' and also, perhaps, a 'want list'. Then any exchange is worked out directly between two parties who agree to trade. 

 

The main goal is to get unused inks into the hands - then, ideally, onto the paper - of those who are more likely to use them, reducing hoarding of 'orphan' inks. The motivation is that folks get inks they want more than the inks they haven't used or are unlikely to use (i.e. hoarded inks). Shipping cost would be the main disincentive, I think, but I'm guessing it would still likely be more cost-effective than ordering from an online vendor.

[HE46]

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modern inks which are not sold in sample form (Montblanc!) 

Fountainfeder in Germany offers Montblanc samples (no affiliation ...). 

[wallylynn]

On 3/4/2022 at 9:19 PM, inkstainedruth said:

Given that I HATE cold weather and snow?   No, not really.... 

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

if I recall, Antarctica is actually a desert.  It doesn't really snow.  It's just the little bit of snow never melts.