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I was looking at the UEF Platinum Century 3776 fountain pens and read that not all are created equal.  There seem to be some models that have a different way to secure the cap to the pen.  Can someone point me to the models with a better mechanism?  Are the cheap semi see through models sold on Amazon and the like, the older mechanism?  The ones that I say are semi see through are like the Bourgogne color.  Thanks!

 

Edit: The newer mechanism is called Slip and Seal.

Edit 2: The Amazon description states it has slip and seal.  But is there a probability of getting an older model?  I think the see through colors didn’t change.

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I have just ordered a “French Series” Bourgogne 3776 Century EF.  It is my clear understanding that all the Century pens are a refreshed version of the original 3776, which did not have this feature.  The only peculiarity I found reported with the red semi-transparent model is that the cartridge converter sometimes bangs against the barrel when in use.  It’s not clear if this is a design or a QC issue, so we’ll see.

 

Hope to have the pen by Tuesday - my first gold nib since 1972!  Incidentally, UEF would be a push, even for my tiny writing.  Do you need it for Kanji?  Looking at samples, there seems to be little to choose between UEF and EF in terms of size, but EF looks a better bet for reliability across a range of paper grades.

 

Any Platinum specialists out there?

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I was looking at that color as well.  It’s a nice red.  All the descriptions say Slip & Seal so I guess it should be new stock.  I do use it for kanji.  A Sailor EF seems okay for my purposes but I want to see what an even finer line would look like.  

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1 hour ago, Peter_H said:

Yes I know about the nib nook.  But it’s hard to tell the differences for some reason with those examples.  From what I’ve seen in watching various videos, a Sailor EF draws a line of about 0.3mm.  I should ask Goulet Pens what ink they used in the pen sample for Sailor.  And the line width for a Platinum UEF is 0.2mm or less.  But it seems to be really dependent on the ink.  Some samples I’ve seen are darker than others.    I saw a video from Yoseka stationary that stated a Platinum UEF matched a Copic marker’s 0.05mm line.  But Most state it is closer to 0.2mm.

 

Edit:The nib nook used Noodler’s black ink.

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I’ve seen UEF nib line widths quoted as low as 0.1mm but, as you say, it depends on the ink, the paper and the writer.  Trust you will get the pen that works well for you.  (I’m also hoping that for myself)

 

I mainly use Diamine inks, but even they vary from colour to colour.

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35 minutes ago, Peter_H said:

I’ve seen UEF nib line widths quoted as low as 0.1mm but, as you say, it depends on the ink, the paper and the writer.  Trust you will get the pen that works well for you.  (I’m also hoping that for myself)

 

I mainly use Diamine inks, but even they vary from colour to colour.

Yes the line width quotes are all over the place.  Like you said, it’s the ink and the pressure with which you write.

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For my Sailor EF, I’m going to try the pigmented Kiwa-guro cartridge because I think the regular water based ink cartridge causes line spread from what I’m seeing and everyone is writing.  The Kiwa-Guro is supposed to be good at keeping the fine lines fine.  My question is if I get a Platinum fountain pen with a UEF nib, should I get the Platinum Carbon pigment ink cartridges and forgo the water based ones like I’m doing with my Sailor?  Or is the UEF nib too tiny to handle the platinum carbon ink with decent ink flow?  Thanks!

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11 hours ago, PotbellyPig said:

Edit: The newer mechanism is called Slip and Seal.

 

The Slip and Seal feature was introduced into (some models in) the #3776 product line back in 2011. (See https://www.platinum-pen.co.jp/100th_3/e-history.html.)

 

11 hours ago, PotbellyPig said:

There seem to be some models that have a different way to secure the cap to the pen.

 

Yes. In the current production #3776 (now all uniformly branded #3776 Century, thus making the ‘Century’ part lose its meaning in the designation) models, there are three types of caps: screw-caps with Slip and Seal, screw-caps without Slip and Seal, and snap-caps without Slip and Seal.

 

11 hours ago, PotbellyPig said:

Can someone point me to the models with a better mechanism?

 

The lowest-priced ones (and several others).

 

As you've already noted, the mechanism you're after is Slip and Seal, so look for that in the product pages (or the product catalogue, when it comes back after getting revised for the recent re-numbering and price increase of the entry-level #3776 Century models).

 

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7 minutes ago, PotbellyPig said:

My question is if I get a Platinum fountain pen with a UEF nib, should I get the Platinum Carbon pigment ink cartridges and forgo the water based ones like I’m doing with my Sailor?

 

Platinum Carbon Black ink has a reputation for making lines ‘spread’ and present as broader.

 

7 minutes ago, PotbellyPig said:

Or is the UEF nib too tiny to handle the platinum carbon ink with decent ink flow?

 

No.

 

But do you really want to be writing with an UEF nib?

 

8 hours ago, PotbellyPig said:

A Sailor EF seems okay for my purposes but I want to see what an even finer line would look like.

 

In my experience, the Platinum #3776 Century's 14K gold UEF nib and President's 18K gold UEF nib do not put down narrower lines than the Sailor 14K gold EF nibs; but then I've only tested one of each against one another head to head.

 

6 hours ago, PotbellyPig said:

Yes the line width quotes are all over the place.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Platinum Carbon Black ink has a reputation for making lines ‘spread’ and present as broader.

 

 

No.

 

But do you really want to be writing with an UEF nib?

Oh okay.  So if I get a UEF nib, I should stick with the standard Platinum cartridges then?  I wanted to try the nib.  Do you have one in your collection?  

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17 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Platinum Carbon Black ink has a reputation for making lines ‘spread’ and present as broader.

 

 

No.

 

But do you really want to be writing with an UEF nib?

 

 

In my experience, the Platinum #3776 Century's 14K gold UEF nib and President's 18K gold UEF nib do not put down narrower lines than the Sailor 14K gold EF nibs; but then I've only tested one of each against one another head to head.

 

 

 

Thanks for all the info.  I am going to change to Kuwa-guro ink from the water based one in my Sailor EF to see if that helps thing out.  Even with that, theoretically a UEF nib should be thinner according to that size chart (I think a Sailor EF is closer to 0.3mm) but maybe that doesn’t pan out in reality.

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44 minutes ago, PotbellyPig said:

Do you have one in your collection?

 

Yes.

 

30 minutes ago, PotbellyPig said:

Even with that, theoretically a UEF nib should be thinner according to that size chart (I think a Sailor EF is closer to 0.3mm) but maybe that doesn’t pan out in reality.

 

It's a matter of the Sailor EF putting down much finer than 0.3mm-wide lines for me on Rhodia DotPad 80g/m² paper, which is my ‘standard’ paper for testing stuff (for now) because it's kinda universally available even though not the cheapest.

I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present, when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable; and link to third-party content where I can, when I make a claim or refute a statement of fact in a thread. If there is something you can verify for yourself, I entreat you to do so, and judge for yourself what is right, correct for valid. I may be wrong, and my position or say-so is no more authoritative and carries no more weight than anyone else's here.

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13 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Yes.

 

 

It's a matter of the Sailor EF putting down much finer than 0.3mm-wide lines for me on Rhodia DotPad 80g/m² paper, which is my ‘standard’ paper for testing stuff (for now) because it's kinda universally available even though not the cheapest.

Are you using Sailor’s nano inks like the Kiwa-Goru or Souboku?  Or have you in the past?  I’m hoping if I use them, I will get similar results.  I have a Rhodia notepads as well.

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11 minutes ago, PotbellyPig said:

Are you using Sailor’s nano inks like the Kiwa-Goru or Souboku?

 

I use those inks, but not in my Sailor pens.

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17 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Yes, I “missed the boat” there, but then I only got back into pens a few weeks ago!  Ordered my Century through the Internet, from Cult Pens UK.   They are a main UK dealer for Platinum, with sensible pricing (compared to Amazon UK), previously excellent service and easy return/rethink if things go pear-shaped.  Never owned a Japanese fountain pen before, but my expectations are high - most of their manufactured goods are awesome…

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1 hour ago, Peter_H said:

B&M store (Cult Pens in the UK)

 

Hmmm.  I'm a frayed knot.

 

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Hope the pen works well for you.

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Oops, I see now that the address they use is actually on a business park, so my error!  ☹️  They seem to be very good, though.

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My 3776 is now here, already inked with Diamine Raw Sienna.  A joy to use, straight from the box.  The EF was the right choice for me - whew!  Thanks, Cult Pens. 👍🙂

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1 hour ago, Peter_H said:

My 3776 is now here, already inked with Diamine Raw Sienna.  A joy to use, straight from the box.  The EF was the right choice for me - whew!  Thanks, Cult Pens. 👍🙂

Congrats!  Is that a wetter ink or a dryer ink?  I know nothing about inks.  I’m still contemplating whether to get a UEF to complement my Sailor EF.  Some people have stated that it is only a little more fine than the Sailor EF but others have quoted a big difference.  It may have more to do with ink, the amount of pressure you use and the like.

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