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1 hour ago, Anne-Sophie said:

am sooo happy that I decided to go on the FPN, before heading to some zzzzs, and that I opened this thread, just before you were about to close it....Me Too:happyberet:

 

Sometimes, I have to forgo going online, if I ever want to use my fountain pens, or do any artwork...............................

Got to dabble in ink.......what sort of art do you like doing?

 

Or, the dreaded paperwork or other inevitable chores....Got a wife for paperwork......The Germans are big for paperwork.

 

What sort of art do you do, in what media?

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Various chapters were buried in obvious second draft stuff. Things the search didn't show in file search, got found.

 

I had had stuff in the Mexican side of El Paso. (It got renamed Juarez in 1886.)

That I'm not going to try to find out again, the name of a couple stores, a dress maker. Stores I've enough in US El Paso. I'm going to skip that and go directly to the high dunes  of the Samalayuca Dune Fields, and the trail south to Chihuahua City.

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Yesterday, I just got a pretty third tier Senator and old bottle of Uhu BB ink. Is in the minor pen brand section.

Regular flex M, goldishnib....don't say GP. Was bought in the late 80-early 90's. Looks older.

Ink is 70's-90's in the wife remembers it from the '60-70's.

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Anne-Sophie

I am very happy that you found your lost papers.

 

Gorgeous pen! Does it have gold or silver/steel furniture?

 

i thought UHU only made glues.

 

Lately, color pencil/watercolor coloring.

 

 

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Gold trimming...no plating mark, but not gold...it was a Senator a third tier pen often. Every once in a while not. They get sued by MB often for making their President, a cartridge pen that resembles a 149, which of course resembles a Shaeffer new balance.

I missed a few steel nibbed Presidents, and could never afford a gold nibbed President.

 

My wife told me Uhu made all sorts of office and school items. somewhere  I have an Uhu fountain pen that fell into my hands in a live auction lot with in the last year. Typical late  '30's or just after the war '40's looking thing.

6 minutes ago, Anne-Sophie said:

color pencil/watercolor coloring.

I can draw a circle if I have a quarter or silver dollar....and a ruler is helpful. I've of course near a yard of books on drawing and painting.

 

In a book that died the main character painted.

 

I get an art education everyday on a  German auction program, that normally has at least one decent picture where an expert talks about it.

 

We have a three/four chalk Houths (2 inherited) *** and my wife likes water colors from a local pre-and after the War watercolor painter; she has 8 or so and one in oil. Stause or something similar, half inherited, half bought..

Every once in a while we see a picture that ends up out of our range. I'd say we are more the E-300 max range than the E-600.

 

Well we put a E-200+ frame on a E-25 picture from a live auction. If the picture was worth buying, it's worth putting on a frame.....and sometimes a pro had enough knowledge to know what will make a picture pop out.

 

*** We could never read the name Houth on the picture. so we took them to the auction house to see what they were......and he says Houth....as we pull them out of the bag; with out laying them flat. OK!! Great.

Some go for E1.500 others go for E300....some the wife just don't like. A couple we had interest in at one of the auction houses we go too....were liked well by a couple more well to do art collectors.

Typed up his name with bio and taped it to the back.

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Art collecting is great, if one has the space, the time to go to auctions and the money.

 

The last part is always the more problematic, small pieces are easier to find space for, now there are online auctions.

 

Will check the artist you mentioned.

 

 

 

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One of course has storage.....under the bed.

 

Franz Huth 1875-1970 (He is the more talented of the two...IMO)

 

The first couple were inherited from an aunt of my wife, the wife of the brother-in-law mentioned below for the Stauss pictures. She had worked in an art gallery or some sort of artistic store in we also inherited some very nice Karlsruhe Majolika vases and animal sculpture.

 

The other two or three pictures we've bought in the last couple of years once we found out who he was.

As mentioned we couldn't read the signature and the Auction house man, saw they were Huths as we pulled them out of the bag. 

 

Karl Stauss  1887-64, Heidelberg painter. Some of ours comes from a jeweler who took his paintings as payment for work done, or watch repair or what ever.

 

My mother in law worked for a couple of Jewelers in their shop. One was on the same street where Stauss had his atelier just down the street.  And when one died, she ended up with a couple pictures.

So my wife took the pictures to our home. Then my mother in law's brother in law shows up and asks 'How do you come by Karl Stauss pictures?"

That was the first indication to my wife that Karl Stauss was an important painter (at least of Heidelberg). She inherited a couple from him, and bought 2 or 3.

 

Our castle is too small, need 4-5 more walls. Make that 7-8. There is though the change of seasons.....

 

My wife thinks we paid E15 for the painting I'm sure we paid E25, :unsure: then put a 2-300E frame on it..................proper framing so make a picture.

Impulse buy, we'd not even looked at it, just the picture that caem up of the lot on the Auction house monitors.....but frame was a ruin. We could well have spent just a little money on a standard do little frame, but in the framing shop, looking at what the pro thought would spiff up the picture, decided to go whole hog. The frame adds a hell of a lot to the picture.

Is much more blurry than I thought...will have to use my wife's phone. Can be clicked to be made larger.

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We are slowly putting museum glass on those worth it. This one not.

A 'close up' of the frame....on a click and go.

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I managed to screw up by light reflection or just poor angled pictures the coupe of Huths we have hanging and the Stauss floral one had a big light blur in it. So won't show them until I get a better view. The two Huths we have hanging are quite well done pastels.

Going to get the Stauss watercolors put behind museum glass by and by. At the cost of such glass, by and by is normal.

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How would you classify the painting?

 

Realist?

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Impressionistic realism. If one stands away from the painting one gets the broad stroke flowers as once piece.

 

Impressionism is walk by a painting at 6-10 feet, and absorb it at a glance....an impression of what was once painted in detail. An accented stroke.

 

Constantine may have started it with that moon, water fog picture in 1812, but it was Turner '40s-50's that gave painting the shove over the cliff that allowed other later 'impressionists to be.

 

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I think I was wrong about Realists, who, I believe are from Millet to the Landscape artists to the Impressionist.

 

Obviously, I am simplifying a lot, but I just discovered an American painter late 19th century, whose works were very dark, as in not a lot of light, with sepia, dark brown, black background and harsh light on subjects.

 

Your painting has a lot of light, an airy quality, which reminds me of Impressionists but with more defined brushstrokes.  

 

 

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It stood weeks leaning up against the living room door, looking like the E-15-25 painting with ratty frame it was. With that lively yet deep frame and up on the wall....what ever it cost no longer counts.

 

The real trick of Turner's was doing impressionism with out tubes of paint.....well so much for that, 1841 an American invented paint in tubes.

 

The only painting by Constantine I remember is that dark one, with mist raising up off the river with a sliver of moon.

 

There is a painting of a woman walking in the snow, breaking trail if I remember.

I thought it one of the Wyeth girls, but they didn't show that picture, so I could be wrong to what family of artists did it.

It defiantly was realism. One don't see any close up, but it was a woman walking in mid calf snow near a scatter of trees. She had a ways to go, and it showed. A north woods picture, she's wearing a Hudson Bay coat, but is not  Indian.

 

It's only been 30-40 years since I saw a picture of it in a book. Perhaps only 20 years....Decades can blur.

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Wyeth was the painter I saw, very dark subjects and dark paintings.

 

It could be one of his paintings.

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It was a scene in Snow, and I thought the painter a woman. A member of a painting family.

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While trying to find the painting you were referring to I came upon the Corcoran Collection.

 

Extremely interesting 18, 19 and 20th century art!

 

It is a pdf, so plan to view it, after one of your marathon documentation session for your book.

 

https://www.nga.gov/content/dam/ngaweb/research/publications/pdfs/corcoran-american-art.pdf

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Thank you, I'd not run into that link....looks real good....Is good, I can drop a few more real names into the painter's section.

 

Had I wrote by outline, the poor girl would never have gotten out of the one horse town, just been left laying in the gutter that was dug for her.

When one writes by outline, characters do what they are told!!! Not what they will.:crybaby:

 

I do have a character in the book, that taught the murderous heroine some gun slinging and En plein air or plein air painting. He comes out of the Hudson River and  White Mountains of New Hampshire schools, into the Rocky Mountain School.

 

Elena learns to read at 14. Her first book was Tom Sawyer, her second a book on bookkeeping and business forms.  Today she'd be a scholarship girl, then there was nothing for a woman, no matter what that didn't have to do with inheritance or one's husband.

 

Telephone girls started at this time. The start of woman's Lib, the first job with out connections like a telegraph woman (paid 1/3 less then men and stuck in whistle stops far from the saloon every man demanded), where a normal girl could put a roof over hear head and feed herself....with out living at home, parents or husband; in 50 cents a day didn't go far.

 

As a Lady of Leisure, Mercedes(Elena) has time to learn to paint, play music (having to catch up with her Girls)...and has a pistol target range for single shot .22 Stevens target pistols, in the basement of her 'Establishment'.  (Anything to bring men into the Establishment besides the finest kitchen On the Row***.....where her and her dumb blond sidekick can fleece men there too.) The dumb blond hangs around the pool table classic Greek's naughty picture room, in being slow, & dyslexic, has nothing to do with winning at pool.

Gods did what men want. The table does the Trojan war and has fantastic woods.

 

The Temple of Athena is the name and theme of her Establishment. (By this time she only speaks Spanish, English, German in her French is adequate for the very few Frenchmen she runs into (A Frenchman teaches here Savate (kick fighting)....and she does want to be a Lady; having been less.

 

Ladies speak Latin and or Greek. She has to catch up with the real Latin speaking Ladies she hired from the East; being a Peon with aspirations; and a knack for languages.

 

Actually she uses lots of info from 1600's Cullpepper's medical book, but  prejudices can work for and against. As a Mexican of course she knows fabled Mexican Herb women medicine for virility. (with out the deadly Spanish Fly)

Sliced watermelon  covered with chocolate  was one of the many little items she has pre-viagra. A bit of then legal smoke or the Pope's cocaine wine, were also on her menu. Everyone knew (but the Chinese) the Chinese had medicines for that.

 

Helping teach western philosophy to a well to do Chinaman was an in, to Denver's Chinese doctors and the Chinese extraordinarily carved snuff jars. Presentation of her rare concoction is half the war. Dragon Tears of something like that, exact name I forget. Half prepared before their very eyes....'in only fresh works'.

The power of mind over age.

 

She's a decade or two off with having enough educated men in Denver to fill her Philosophy room; and some of her girls only speak Latin and Greek with out being interested in Philosophy. God has no answer to Why....neither do the man philosophy writers and they don't ask half the questions; being men. (No answers were possible until Desmond Morris's we are not rational beings but half smart apes philosophy. 1964+)

 

Unfortunately the painter character has taken money to kill Mercedes....AKA Elena's first love. She trails him.

With one hand on his holstered pistol, when he is caught in climax, she reaches up slicing his diaphragm with her father's razor; and toss him over the chain railing between cars of the train in the Royal Gorge in Colorado. Men will believe the strangest things.

 

After murdering him, Mercedes takes charge of his home & atelier, and goes around to the local hotels buying up his impressionistic Rocky Mountain school paintings............she has plans to drive the price of his paintings high back east. (I think you could get a Monet for $250 or so.)

 

Anne-Sophie, I had to have art in my western....I had opera.....and the first cow shows up on pg 1237** or so, and it's a Guernsey. It's the crooks in town that are more interesting than cows chewing their cud.

 

*The 1000 page books will be cut to 600. Then you lose 1/3 going from page to book. The first book which is finished except for a bit of foreshadowing of the Heroine's books, is only 387 pages. It is more an 'Ambush at Salt Flats' book. 

Not the Perils of Pauline book........and in the social climate of the time Pauline would have had but one Peril, before having the door slammed on her ass. There was no forgiveness in Christian Morals; which was why there were so many once ladies working at night.

 

*** German Black Forest Cake was invented after my book. In any good dime a beer saloon, there was a French Buffet free lunch....and if near a train line ice for shaken or stirred cocktails. So any good establishment on Denver's Row, had to have a fine French Buffet and bartender. ...too keep men from wasting their money in saloons....Same in Leadville.

 

The Potash King of the North Woods, buys her potash mine, and she retires; so after some revenge in Chihuahua, will retire to running a fine restaurant in Pueblo. 

The gunman range detective (part time henchman)  who follows her around to see what the hell she's going to do next, marries the dumb blond bombshell henchman, and retires to his ranch.

 

Elene takes the second woman's lawyer course in Washington DE in 1895 and becomes a lawyer.

If I'm not mistaken Spencer's daughter who was not allowed to publish her better book on writing, or it would ruin her brothers carriers, had something to do with that Lawyer's course.

 

1921 Senora Elena Mendez dies nursing the Spanish Influenza ill .... it is a stereotype, such women as she was are famous for being disfigured or dying nursing some town's deadly sick men. (hadn't expected it to be so timely in it was mostly written pre-corona.) A dabble of just listing Pueblo's dead in the Chieftain newspaper.

 

The 100 years  flood of 1922 in Pueblo destroys her father's adobe mansion with her impressionistic art collection (dabble) I've her collecting in her trips to Europe.

 

There is something called a 'dabble' an epilogue section done in 100 word sections. I intend to have ten dabbles.

 

One will reading a letter, getting her modern guns (dabbled already), her motorcycle (dabbled), & Rio (Oldsmobile from her brother's dealership; 1880 it's a stable.) The Russian Countess(one of her sword fighting teachers) who worked for her and she sold her Leadville Establishment to's son is in trouble with Villa in Mexico. Could be a bit before Vila (@1905).

She never marries....too bright, too independent and demanding a bright husband.

 

 

 

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RIP...200's once great nib, now a double ball.:crybaby::wallbash:

 

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Bo Bo Olson said:

Elene takes the second woman's lawyer course in Washington DE in 1895 and becomes a lawyer.

If I'm not mistaken Spencer's daughter who was not allowed to publish her better book on writing, or it would ruin her brothers carriers, had something to do with that Lawyer's course.

 

 

Spencer had 2 daughter, Sara is the one who wasn't allowed to publish her better book on writing.

 

http://www.zanerian.com/SaraS.html

 

 

 

 

Her sister, Ellen Spencer Mussey was the lawyer.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Spencer_Mussey

 

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ellen-Spencer-Mussey

 

https://www.smith.edu/news/saq-womens-suffrage-ellen-spencer-mussey

 

 

Papers of the Spencer family at the Newberry Library in Chicago

 

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Thanks, Anne-Sophie.

Great, I might (probably did)  have put the wrong Spencer girl in the wrong place.

 

And a year off.

"""The two opened the first session of the Woman's Law Class on February 1, 1896."""

 

 

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RIP...200's once great nib, now a double ball.:crybaby::wallbash:

 

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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Your knowledge of many historical events, fountain pen network related items, arts and so much more... I am in awe.

 

If I can clarify some data for myself, I can always share it with you, I have always been fascinated by the Spencer family, especially the patriarch and the women.

 

Unfortunately, their papers are in a private museum and it seems that there no good way to do research on them, without being associated with a publication or a university.

 

There is an inquiry link, on the museum website and I might just go for it.

 

You have inspired my to be creative with the plume and for that, I am extremely thankful.

 

 

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Knowledge of, not knowledgeable; IMO.

The more you know, the the more you know how little you know....is true.

 

And if you hang around on the right corner, history passes you by. & Today, you can copy a few words and get into an encyclopedia with out getting up out of one's chair to look in the encyclopedia you don't own. So slow going through 12 books, than following 12 links.

 

That and a memory for nickle knowledge. Stuff that is worth a nickle on a good day. (The important things flow out of my ears...sigh cubed.)

Like President Garfield could write Latin with one hand and Greek with the other simultaneously. He had been born in a log cabin....till paid teacher before going off Collage and being a General. I don't do enough about what he stood for, but do bring up the whole nation prayed daily for two months for his return to health.

 

Outside of war perhaps the only time the nation united on something.

 

When you look up what best seller books were being read in the era,(so of course you got to go into a book store, where they have the dirty French books under the counter....right next to her boot maker, (why not add real people) or  what music was being listened too. ....leading to 3 of the top ten opera singers in the world were American Women in 1881. Opera was popular in it was all sang in English....well if some Italian tenor couldn't sing in English, he sang in Italian, and every one else just sang around him. ...which explains why Opera was popular back then.....besides being a mark of culture what all the middle and better classes aimed for. 

 

Therefor I get to bring in German Cincinnati, and it's grand opera house and once the Germans sang all over the place.

 

 I do have a French War hero (burned when a French battleship burnt and sunk in harbor)....the French Navy taught it's sailors how to fight with savate, bayonet and bayoneted rifle an hour every day. Where the Navy fought on land vs the Germans in the 1871 war...they kicked ass in the North of Germany. They had a single Marine in the rowed landing boat to lead the sailors who rowed it; so the sailors were trained to act as Marines when on land also.

So the French sailors were that era's best trained close in fighters. Commando/Seals of the day.

 

 

There was a black composer named Bland, I can't figure how to bring in the man who dominated pop culture for over two decades..... I do bring up a couple of his dirty songs.....'Meet me at the cross roads at midnight'.....and such; such 'romantic' liberties lead girls down the wrong paths.

 

I'm glad you know so much about the Spenser girls and are into actually wanting a fast snapback nib.

 

I lie to my self about finding 15 minutes a day to actually learn how to write.:unsure:..............I do admit it in public of the main sections of the com....Sigh....laziness is a sin.

 

German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

RIP...200's once great nib, now a double ball.:crybaby::wallbash:

 

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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On 9/30/2021 at 9:21 AM, Bo Bo Olson said:

 I do have a French War hero (burned when a French battleship burnt and sunk in harbor)....the French Navy taught it's sailors how to fight with savate, bayonet and bayoneted rifle an hour every day. Where the Navy fought on land vs the Germans in the 1871 war...they kicked ass in the North of Germany. They had a single Marine in the rowed landing boat to lead the sailors who rowed it; so the sailors were trained to act as Marines when on land also.

So the French sailors were that era's best trained close in fighters. Commando/Seals of the day.

 

This is most probably where the Seals come from, they are still called Commando in French.

 

There is so much cross-pollination between French and U.S culture.

 

Again, I have the greatest admiration for you, fiction is really hard, especially if you want to make great historical fiction.

 

Hats off to you! 

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Thanks, but it's being a bit OCD, instead of writing eyeball to eyeball.

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RIP...200's once great nib, now a double ball.:crybaby::wallbash:

 

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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