Sailor KOP And Sailor King Profit ST

[James-B]

I am interested in a Sailor King of Pen. I found one on Amazon Japan but they call it a Sailor King Profit ST are they the same thing ?

[A Smug Dill]

9 minutes ago, James-B said:

Sailor King Profit ST

 

ST denotes ‘silver trim’. The product image you pasted above, however, looks like a gold-trimmed model to me.

 

Edit: OK, I found that listing on Amazon.co.jp. The model number is that for the gold-trimmed King Profit (model name in the Japanese domestic market) aka 1911 King Of Pen, not the ST version.

 

Edited March 12, 2021 by A Smug Dill

[zaddick]

King of Pen and King Profit are the same model of pen.

[samasry]

44 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

ST denotes ‘silver trim’. The product image you pasted above, however, looks like a gold-trimmed model to me.

 

Edit: OK, I found that listing on Amazon.co.jp. The model number is that for the gold-trimmed King Profit (model name in the Japanese domestic market) aka 1911 King Of Pen, not the ST version.

 

 

Some of  the  japanese sellers and   even some US sites  use  " ST "  to mean Standard (not pro gear, nor Ebonite,  but cigar shaped resin)

 

On Ebay, some   Cigar shaped KOP are  called  "ST"

 

nibs.com  also uses  the  "ST"  to imply standard

 

It could be  a mistake that went popular.

 

But James,  I thought u wanted the Pro gear

 

 

[samasry]

15 minutes ago, zaddick said:

King of Pen and King Profit are the same model of pen.

 

"Profit "  usually   mean it  is   Cigar shaped

 

I do not recall I have seen  "Profit"  used  for   Pro Gear  KOP 

 

But similar to the ST thingy,  I could be wrong

[A Smug Dill]

15 minutes ago, salmasry said:

On Ebay many   Cigar shaped KOP are  called  "ST"

 

Colour me bemused, but it seems Sailor itself calls the gold-trimmed model King Of Pen ST, on both its Japanese site and UK/global site. Yet, on the English version of its Japanese site, it makes a distinction between 1911 KOP Gold Trim (11-6001-*) and 1911 KOP Silver Trim (11-9639-*) models; there is no ‘ST’ otherwise in the name of any of the King Of Pens models or the 1911 (aka Profit) models.

 

12 minutes ago, salmasry said:

"Profit "  usually   mean it  is   Cigar shaped

 

I do not recall I have seen  "Profit"  used  for   Pro Gear  KOP

 

Profit, and Professional Gear, are separate product lines and mutually exclusive in Sailor's nomenclature. For Western markets, the Profit line is usually known as the 1911 line instead.

 

KOP, in the absence of any other qualification, means the models in the Profit/1911 line according to Sailor's global site. On the Japanese site, the extra large pen models are now designated either King Profit (キングプロフィット) and Professional Gear KOP model (プロフェッショナルギア KOPモデル), or 1911 KOP and Professional Gear KOP.

 

So, the inconsistencies are due Sailor itself, and I can't blame either eBay sellers and North American retailers for that (unlike in the case of the Pilot MR Metropolitan).

[samasry]

8 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Colour me bemused, but it seems Sailor itself calls the gold-trimmed model King Of Pen ST, on both its Japanese site and UK/global site. Yet, on the English version of its Japanese site, it makes a distinction between 1911 KOP Gold Trim (11-6001-*) and 1911 KOP Silver Trim (11-9639-*) models; there is no ‘ST’ otherwise in the name of any of the King Of Pens models or the 1911 (aka Profit) models.

 

 

Profit, and Professional Gear, are separate product lines and mutually exclusive in Sailor's nomenclature. For Western markets, the Profit line is usually known as the 1911 line instead.

 

KOP, in the absence of any other qualification, means the models in the Profit/1911 line according to Sailor's global site. On the Japanese site, the extra large pen models are now designated either King Profit (キングプロフィット) and Professional Gear KOP model (プロフェッショナルギア KOPモデル), or 1911 KOP and Professional Gear KOP.

 

So, the inconsistencies are due Sailor itself, and I can't blame either eBay sellers and North American retailers for that (unlike in the case of the Pilot MR Metropolitan).

 

Awesome, we are in accord.