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My understanding is that MB nibs are hand ground, therefore there might be variation between this F nib and that F nib. Nib width is not marked on MBs

Pelikan M2XX F steel nibs put down a narrower line than the the gold M400-800 nibs. My M1000 gold F put down a broad line until I sent it to the nib spa.

 

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Add lightness and simplicate.

 

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Ninja'd by Kar, though I was going to come from the other direction - is one Pelikan F equal to another Pelikan F? Not necessarily.

It's hard work to tell which is Old Harry when everybody's got boots on.

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200's nib is a properly designed old style tip...so writes a 1/2 a width narrower than modern and has a nice clean line, not the round double ball of other modern gold nibbed Pelikans.

 

My modern MB is a fat B=BB.

All other MB's I have are '50-70 or '70-90. So are thinner than modern. I don't know when fat modern started with MB. By Pelikan it started in 1998.

In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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I have one modern MB F nib on the Walt Disney LE, and one gold Pelikan F on an M400. I haven't compared them side by with the same ink, but they seem to write relatively similarly.

 

I have no vintage Pelikans, but on my 1960s Montblancs, of which I have quite a few, Ms write somewhere between a modern F and M, and Fs write smaller than a current/modern EF.

 

Consistent with Bo Bo's comment, my M205 F writes smaller than my modern gold MB and Pelikan Fs ,and similar to 1960s MB Fs.

 

To be honest, to me the 1960s M from either company is almost a perfect size for me for general writing(unless I want the flair/presence of a big nib). I can get along well with a modern M, and a modern F tends to make me write small enough that others often have trouble reading my writing(as if they don't already have enough). The old size M, though, is perfect.

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I have no experience with vintage nibs of either brand, but the F nib on my M805 is a tiny bit thinner than the F nib on my MB The Beatles. 

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There is no standardization of F or even number sizes 1.0 is @ a B.....which if measured could be 0.9 or 1.1 just as easy as not.

Each company has it's very own standards, always has and always will. They have trained their customers, or listened to their customers in a market survey back in radio days, to what they wanted.

 

If wider nibbed Parker had made a thinner nib like Shaffer, back in the day of One Man, One Pen, a customer could well have made a horrible mistake and bought a 'regular' sized Shaffer instead of the wider nibbed Parker....had Parker made a skinny nib like Shaffer........and Parker would have had to wait 8-10 years to get another crack at selling that man a pen.

By then he'd be a Shaffer man use to a skinny nib instead of the 'normal' Parker nib.

 

Somewhere along the line of being here over a decade, learned nib width even with in the same company is only horseshoe close, much less across companies borders.

Tolerance/slop can have a skinny M= exactly a fat F............and the next company over laps that. So don't worry about the marking.....extra skinny, thin, medium, broad, and fat. If you like a certain width...and are very narrow on your outlook, buy only the company that makes the width you like in an F or EF....oddly most folks don't care as much in M or B or BB.

If you want skinny nibs, buy Japanese, but not the fat Sailor which could be as wide as Aurora, the skinniest Euro nib.

 

When I came back to fountain pens, I went wide, so didn't care if some one's F was skinnier, then Waterman was the 'thin' nib, now Japanese; and they too have company standards. I have read that Sailor is the Fat Japanese nib. One seldom gets complaints my B is too skinny.....goes to reason, some B's will be other companies fat M's.

 

Then it comes down to era; my vintage and semi-vintage German nibs even across company borders, seem close enough that it don't matter.

 

However I have a chart from before the emergence of Japan as a major pen maker. Conway Stewart was very, very wide.....much narrower but still wide was Parker, then Shaffer, then normal Pelikan. The 800 had a range narrower than the 400/600/200 but fatter than Waterman. Then came Waterman..................how ever Pelikan EF was the narrowest of them all...................since then Pelikan and MB have become fat. Even Pelikan's EF.

Not now.

 

I don't know about Waterman, I only have one that I've not yet inked a Waterman Man 100 from late '80's early '90's.....and one nib don't make a survey. But would expect a narrow nib for marking, in it was from that era.

 

Many started with the cheaper Japanese entry market pens, so expect an F to be the EF they started with. Japanese nibs are miss marked one size small, because of their tiny script, very narrow is needed.

 

Back in the day no one ever heard of Japanese pens............hell, back then most folks had never heard of that ugly Pelikan or that fat clunky 149. The Snorkel was King of Pens, P-51 the Prince....then the P-75 came and became the King of Pens. Mercedes was a small under powered car. A Rambler was bigger and more powerful. BMW was an odd one door car that opened up in front....the first I'd ever seen; so rare I'd not seen another two or four door BMW until I got to Germany in 1964. Who wanted a skinny little tiny undere powered box of the 1800/2002  German cars could do something odd, corner; but couldn't find a stop light in what we in the US called a race.

Once Shaffer had some of it's pens made in Japan......had one, a nail, so sold it.

 

So if a nib is too fat for you, sell it or have someone make it to your very own standard. And it will by your very own standard. If you print, go Japanese for narrow.....but before the modern  fat nibs, the Euro nib was made for writing cursive, so were wider, in it is a good flowing script.

I don't like fat modern blobby nibs, they don't make a clean line like semi-vintage and vintage German nibs. I don't have enough US nibs and only have vintage to say anything.

 

Personally even though I do have a few semi-flex  EF's and ordered a marbled brown 200, with the narrowest nib Fritz had in his shop for editing, I'm not into EF's I want to use a shading ink and EF's don't shade....or I don't see it.

 

 

In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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