Cjayant Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I am setting up my Dip pens. Link to post Share on other sites
ParramattaPaul Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Nice. I have exactly one dip pen. It is a late 19th Century brass pen with the usual steel nib. It is currently resting on an empty Oxford University ink well next to a vintage silver candle holder. Edited September 28, 2020 by ParramattaPaul Link to post Share on other sites
PAKMAN Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Same here just one, wow what a collection! Congrats! PAKMAN My Favorite Pen Restorer My Favorite Brick and Mortar Store Vanness Pens - Now selling Online! Link to post Share on other sites
Savit Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I am setting up my Dip pens. L1046521-1.jpgAs a person who does not have a dip pen, may I ask whether each pen has a personality (just like fountain pens do)?Are they meant for different styles of calligraphy or they are different in terms of materials and aesthetic value?Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
shostakovich Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 As a person who does not have a dip pen, may I ask whether each pen has a personality (just like fountain pens do)?Are they meant for different styles of calligraphy or they are different in terms of materials and aesthetic value?Thanks Yes, what is the advantage of dip pens? Link to post Share on other sites
tperkins Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I am certainly no expert, but the advantages of appropriate "dip" pens for Ornamental Penmanship (aka, "Spencerian") over fountain pens are (1) more flexibility to make wider shades, and (2--imho, the more important advantage) *much* finer points to make *much* thinner hairlines. The main disadvantage, of course, is that "dip" pens are made of non-stainless steel and are therefore subject to rust, corrosion, and metal fatigue, which means that they wear out and are disposable items, whereas fountain pens often have gold pens meant to last a lifetime. Even 14k fountain pens re-ground for Spencerian are inferior to the best "dip" pens, imho, because they are either not ground down enough to render a fine-enough hairline, or they are ground down too much and will therefore break. (I do not want to pay hundreds of dollars for a disposable gold point.) Straight fountain pens are also more awkward for a right-hander than an oblique pen holder. Yes, each pen has a "personality," whether used for Ornamental writing or not. (Some pens are manufactured to compete with other pens with highly similar personalities, so they fall into family groups, so to speak.) For Ornamental Penmanship, for instance, the "G" pens are stiffer (although still pointier and more flexible than a fountain pen) compared to, say, a Leonardt Principal EF pen. Therefore the "G" pens are more often recommended for beginners. A beginner who has written with ballpoints (biros) all his life can easily destroy a Leonardt Principal EF with a single stroke, whereas the "G" might require three strokes. 🙂 Regarding my remark about hairlines being more important than shades, inferior penmen (like me) tend to make far too many heavy shades, imho. It really pays to *design* what you write before you start, to think through where you want a few dark accents, and to make as few of them as you can. Examine these two outstanding examples of Spencerian writing on the IAMPETH site: "Study as Much as You Practice" by the legendary Louis Madarasz https://www.iampeth.com/artwork?page=4 and "Luck" by Earl A. Lupfer https://www.iampeth.com/artwork?page=8. Link to post Share on other sites
Stompie Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 A great collection! Thanks for sharing the pic. Link to post Share on other sites
AAAndrew Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 10/13/2020 at 10:54 AM, Savit said: As a person who does not have a dip pen, may I ask whether each pen has a personality (just like fountain pens do)? Are they meant for different styles of calligraphy or they are different in terms of materials and aesthetic value? Thanks Very definitely. Steel dip pens came in thousands of styles. There were different kinds of pens for different kinds of writing. If you were a lawyer or someone who needed to write a lot, quickly, then a stub nib was for you. You didn't have to watch the pressure with a stub nib, and no sharp tip to catch, so it was easier to write quickly. These are often marketed with names like, Lawyer's Stub, Judge's Quill, Chancellor or Congressional. If you were an accountant writing into account books all day, small numbers in small places, you did not need flex in your pen. Instead you would want a fairly smooth fine or fine-medium point that was pretty stiff. Look for the Accountant or Inflexible pens. Each of the pens do have a personality. I call it the "writing experience" of the pen. The size and shape and make of each pen contributes to how it writes. Even pens that seem the same in shape, like the falcons, can be very different. The Hunt Firm Falcon is on the opposite end of the Spencerian Forty, a super flexible falcon pen. The Lady Falcon (tiny falcon pen) will feel very different from the standard falcon (let alone the huge Mammoth Falcon). For me, this is the real allure of vintage steel pens, the wide range of writing experiences available, to match my every need and mood. “When the historians of education do equal and exact justice to all who have contributed toward educational progress, they will devote several pages to those revolutionists who invented steel pens and blackboards.” V.T. Thayer, 1928Check out my Steel Pen Blog. "No one is exempt from talking nonsense; the mistake is to do it solemnly."-Montaigne Link to post Share on other sites
Savit Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 13 hours ago, AAAndrew said: Very definitely. Steel dip pens came in thousands of styles. There were different kinds of pens for different kinds of writing. If you were a lawyer or someone who needed to write a lot, quickly, then a stub nib was for you. You didn't have to watch the pressure with a stub nib, and no sharp tip to catch, so it was easier to write quickly. These are often marketed with names like, Lawyer's Stub, Judge's Quill, Chancellor or Congressional. If you were an accountant writing into account books all day, small numbers in small places, you did not need flex in your pen. Instead you would want a fairly smooth fine or fine-medium point that was pretty stiff. Look for the Accountant or Inflexible pens. Each of the pens do have a personality. I call it the "writing experience" of the pen. The size and shape and make of each pen contributes to how it writes. Even pens that seem the same in shape, like the falcons, can be very different. The Hunt Firm Falcon is on the opposite end of the Spencerian Forty, a super flexible falcon pen. The Lady Falcon (tiny falcon pen) will feel very different from the standard falcon (let alone the huge Mammoth Falcon). For me, this is the real allure of vintage steel pens, the wide range of writing experiences available, to match my every need and mood. Thank you.. Very interesting information.. Link to post Share on other sites
Cjayant Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 On 9/28/2020 at 11:10 PM, PAKMAN said: Same here just one, wow what a collection! Congrats! On 12/15/2020 at 8:01 AM, Stompie said: A great collection! Thanks for sharing the pic. Thank you PAKMAN AND Stompie. Link to post Share on other sites
Cjayant Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 On 10/13/2020 at 3:54 PM, Savit said: As a person who does not have a dip pen, may I ask whether each pen has a personality (just like fountain pens do)? Are they meant for different styles of calligraphy or they are different in terms of materials and aesthetic value? Thanks Yes Savit, all the Dip pens are different . Writes in different ways in character as they belongs to different period. The older vintages are different as those nibs different in softness and sizes ( Thinner or thick lines or wet noodle flex effects. But I only have just one soft Pen here) most of my pens have rigid nibs. As Andrew explains it all he left nothing else for us to say. It is a fun to use them but they are not easy and fun to use by an amateurish use. I am having lot of problem to write good writing. PRACTICE ,PRACTICE, PRACTICE WILL GET YOU TO A GOOD LEVEL ONE DAY. Link to post Share on other sites
Cjayant Posted 5 hours ago Author Share Posted 5 hours ago My writing inspiration by "Dressed to Kill" -Man Ray's master piece. Link to post Share on other sites
Cjayant Posted 5 hours ago Author Share Posted 5 hours ago Close up of my cheap pens!! Link to post Share on other sites
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