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Extra Fine Nib Ink Review: De Atramentis Document Black

 

This is review #37 in my series. Here's the YouTube video:

 

Post-recording notes: Dry time was more than 30 seconds! I did not try counting longer than that to determine more precisely.

 

Cleaning was a bear: pen flush, Q-Tip scrubbing, sonicator. The ink did come off, but not easily.

 

And here is a screen of the final result, for those not interested in the video:
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Scan of Completed Review:
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Zoomed in photo:
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Absorbent Paper Closeup (puzzle paper like thick newsprint):
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Screenshots also available on Instagram: @zilxodarap

 

Previous Review: Visconti Blue.

 

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Hope you enjoy. Comments appreciated!

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Great review, Liz, again :)

I can see that this ink seriously tested your nerves....and that despite the incantations :)

While I'm not a fan of black inks in general, I like the saturation and the shine. It reminds me of Sumi ink.

But I dislike nothing more, when they take their sweet time to dry...

That's an indubitable fact :D

 

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Interesting - Was thinking of trying this, but it seems to be more effort than its worth. Do I really need an ink that will never wash away, even in the great flood? I think not. Writing with a fountain pen is supposed to be enjoyable. :)

 

Thanks for going through this tough review!

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Great review, Liz, again :)

I can see that this ink seriously tested your nerves....and that despite the incantations :)

While I'm not a fan of black inks in general, I like the saturation and the shine. It reminds me of Sumi ink.

But I dislike nothing more, when they take their sweet time to dry...

That's an indubitable fact :D

 

 

:D It wasn't nearly so bad writing journal entries (on a Rhodia webbie) as I feared, and yes, the shine and saturation were the most pleasant things about it, and the dry time the least. As I told a poster on reddit - the cleaning was a bear, but it did clean; the dry time was a bigger problem than cleaning.

 

Interesting - Was thinking of trying this, but it seems to be more effort than its worth. Do I really need an ink that will never wash away, even in the great flood? I think not. Writing with a fountain pen is supposed to be enjoyable. :)

 

Thanks for going through this tough review!

You're very welcome! I've never tried them, but if I wanted a permanent black ink, I'd try Sailor's and Platinum's to see how they compare. I told that same redditor that my favorite water-resistant inks thus far are Sailor Seiboku and Souboku - they are entirely permanent, didn't clog, weren't as hard to clean, Seiboku is lightfast (suspect Souboku is, but haven't tested), both shade, and neither takes long to dry. :) With that track record, I assume the Sailor nano-pigment black is just as good, or close. And Platinum's gets lots of love, so I'd try it.

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With that track record, I assume the Sailor nano-pigment black is just as good, or close. And Platinum's gets lots of love, so I'd try it.

http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/348510-nine-pigment-inks-tested-for-waterproofness/

 

Sadly, no, Sailor kiwaguro isn't nearly as waterproof as seiboku and souboku, or Platinum Carbon Black for that matter. I can write on my chromatography strips (whether they're cut from filter paper or kitchen paper towels) in Platinum Carbon Black, then steep the annotated part in a beaker of water, and those ink marks just wouldn't budge at all. That said, Platinum Carbon Black is slightly more likely to feather and/or bleed than Sailor kiwaguro, but it isn't a problem on Rhodia 80g/m² paper.

I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present, when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable; and link to third-party content where I can, when I make a claim or refute a statement of fact in a thread. If there is something you can verify for yourself, I entreat you to do so, and judge for yourself what is right, correct, and valid. I may be wrong, and my position or say-so is no more authoritative and carries no more weight than anyone else's here.

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:D It wasn't nearly so bad writing journal entries (on a Rhodia webbie) as I feared, and yes, the shine and saturation were the most pleasant things about it, and the dry time the least. As I told a poster on reddit - the cleaning was a bear, but it did clean; the dry time was a bigger problem than cleaning.

 

 

I think I'll go the Noodler's route, I have several samples waiting patiently..... I have good luck with them in general and easy cleaning in general :)

 

 

You're very welcome! I've never tried them, but if I wanted a permanent black ink, I'd try Sailor's and Platinum's to see how they compare. I told that same redditor that my favorite water-resistant inks thus far are Sailor Seiboku and Souboku - they are entirely permanent, didn't clog, weren't as hard to clean, Seiboku is lightfast (suspect Souboku is, but haven't tested), both shade, and neither takes long to dry. :) With that track record, I assume the Sailor nano-pigment black is just as good, or close. And Platinum's gets lots of love, so I'd try it.

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Thanks for another one of your cool patented reviews. I was on a recent Black kick, but my essential sinister nature rules this out, due to smearage.

My latest ebook.   And not just for Halloween!
 

My other pen is a Montblanc.

 

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http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/348510-nine-pigment-inks-tested-for-waterproofness/

 

Sadly, no, Sailor kiwaguro isn't nearly as waterproof as seiboku and souboku, or Platinum Carbon Black for that matter. I can write on my chromatography strips (whether they're cut from filter paper or kitchen paper towels) in Platinum Carbon Black, then steep the annotated part in a beaker of water, and those ink marks just wouldn't budge at all. That said, Platinum Carbon Black is slightly more likely to feather and/or bleed than Sailor kiwaguro, but it isn't a problem on Rhodia 80g/m² paper.

Thank you! I'd forgotten that post. Looks like the Platinum is the way to go if you want waterproof. Maybe I'll test it after all my current inks are done. :)

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:D It wasn't nearly so bad writing journal entries (on a Rhodia webbie) as I feared, and yes, the shine and saturation were the most pleasant things about it, and the dry time the least. As I told a poster on reddit - the cleaning was a bear, but it did clean; the dry time was a bigger problem than cleaning.

 

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I think I'll go the Noodler's route, I have several samples waiting patiently..... I have good luck with them in general and easy cleaning in general [:)]

 

Gotta go with what works. It's been a long time since I tried a bulletproof Noodler's ink - Heart of Darkness (my brother uses this) and Bad Blue Heron are it, I think. We'll get to Heart of Darkness eventually. I think I'm out of Bad Blue Heron (just had a sample).

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Thanks for another one of your cool patented reviews. I was on a recent Black kick, but my essential sinister nature rules this out, due to smearage.

You're welcome! Yeah, De Atramentis Document Black would be awful for a lefty - at least on non-absorbent paper.

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Its cousin Archival ink is seriously waterproof. Up there with the best of any black fountain pen inks that Ive tried*

 

*Ive tried a few 😬

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Its cousin Archival ink is seriously waterproof. Up there with the best of any black fountain pen inks that Ive tried*

 

*Ive tried a few

:) Does it dry faster than this one? If so, it might be worth a sample, just for the review series.

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You're welcome! Yeah, De Atramentis Document Black would be awful for a lefty - at least on non-absorbent paper.

It depends on the lefty...... ;)

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:) Does it dry faster than this one? If so, it might be worth a sample, just for the review series.

Just did a quick test on random Pukka Pad. Smudge wipe dry after 25s.

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It depends on the lefty...... ;)

Good point. (Of course, I didn't like it much as a righty, so... :P )

 

Just did a quick test on random Pukka Pad. Smudge wipe dry after 25s.

Thanks! That's better than this was (hard not to be). Maybe I'll get a sample and try it out - next year, when I'm nearing the end of my current sample collection.

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Just discovered today that my link to my "Next Ink Poll" in all these posts is wrong! :headsmack: :( :blush: People familiar with google docs are figuring it out - thank you. But I've corrected the link in my template and will post it here:

 

Correct Link to Next Ink Poll

 

I won't go back and repost it in all my threads - I'm sure that would annoy folks. :)

 

Please accept my apologies if trying to get that poll working frustrated you!

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... next year, when I'm nearing the end of my current sample collection.

 

 

When in 2021 are you expect that to happen?

I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present, when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable; and link to third-party content where I can, when I make a claim or refute a statement of fact in a thread. If there is something you can verify for yourself, I entreat you to do so, and judge for yourself what is right, correct, and valid. I may be wrong, and my position or say-so is no more authoritative and carries no more weight than anyone else's here.

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When in 2021 are you expect that to happen?

Well, by the end of March I'll have done 89 reviews... (That's as far as my Hobonichi goes, so I haven't calculated father.) The one in the pen now is #41... That will leave 31 still to go (after March)... At ~7 per month, that means I'll finish, huh, next August sometime. :) Apparently I have a year to go. I'm not sure I wanted to know that. :unsure: :mellow: :P

 

This assumes that I do all the inks I have - last time I checked, no one had given a single vote to any of the 12 Pilot Parallels inks. If no one is interested in those, I may just leave them out altogether - that would mean I'd finish around the end of June.

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