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Seems like cheap office copy paper has plagued us for centuries...... :yikes:

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...the trick is not to hide the weakness, but flaunt it.

 

 

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Interesting. What's the book? I'm wondering whether it's paper or parchment.

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"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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It's the 15th-century Italian equivalent of Tomoe River: "Lots of showthrough, but I don't notice after filling the back side." :D

 

Ruth, to find the image, if using a browser on the desktop:

  • right click the image, select "Copy Image Address"
  • go to google
  • paste the URL for the image into the search bar
  • you'll get no results, but a message "For matching images, try search by image"
  • click on that, and you'll get results

It works reasonably well, and definitely works for this one. https://bid.dreweatts.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/926/lot/6519?uact=5&aid=926&lid=6549&current_page=0

 

There are probably similar steps when on your phone/tablet.

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Interesting. What's the book? I'm wondering whether it's paper or parchment.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

I was just following a link from one of the calligraphy topics when I noticed this ancient show through issue.....

 

Walter Burley, Commentaries on Aristotle, De Physica, in Latin, illuminated manuscript on paper [italy (Venice), dated 24 February 1435/9]

https://bid.dreweatts.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/926/lot/6519?uact=5&aid=926&lid=6549&current_page=0

 

 

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It's the 15th-century Italian equivalent of Tomoe River: "Lots of showthrough, but I don't notice after filling the back side." :D

 

Ruth, to find the image, if using a browser on the desktop:

  • right click the image, select "Copy Image Address"
  • go to google
  • paste the URL for the image into the search bar
  • you'll get no results, but a message "For matching images, try search by image"
  • click on that, and you'll get results

It works reasonably well, and definitely works for this one. https://bid.dreweatts.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/926/lot/6519?uact=5&aid=926&lid=6549&current_page=0

 

There are probably similar steps when on your phone/tablet.

 

Good search engine!

 

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I was just following a link from one of the calligraphy topics when I noticed this ancient show through issue.....

 

Walter Burley, Commentaries on Aristotle, De Physica, in Latin, illuminated manuscript on paper [italy (Venice), dated 24 February 1435/9]

https://bid.dreweatts.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/926/lot/6519?uact=5&aid=926&lid=6549&current_page=0

 

 

Inked

 

Thanks!

 

(Sorry YXZZY, but the directions you gave doesn't seem to work that way for Macs....). There was no way to get to the link behind the image. It just took me a page which had the image but nothing else (including navigation).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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Thanks!

 

(Sorry YXZZY, but the directions you gave doesn't seem to work that way for Macs....). There was no way to get to the link behind the image. It just took me a page which had the image but nothing else (including navigation).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

Who's Mac?

 

Try the link below...

 

bid.dreweatts.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/926/lot/6519?uact=5&aid=926&lid=6549&current_page=0

 

 

Inked :)

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On 4/28/2020 at 1:18 PM, inkstainedruth said:

(Sorry YXZZY, but the directions you gave doesn't seem to work that way for Macs....)

 

@XYZZY's instructions worked exactly as advertised on my Mac (running OS X 10.11.6 and Safari browser 11.1.2). 👍

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On 1/12/2021 at 8:49 PM, airstairesc said:

I wonder what they thought of it back then? Do you suppose they had long and detailed discussions the way we do?

Maybe they saw it as a feature and not a bug? Light bleed-through might have served as a way to help keep the same line distance. Then again, they prepared the parchment before writing on it, so would it have been as noticeable to the scribe?

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Or it could be as simple as "Oh, we're just human -- only God is perfect!"

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"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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On 4/26/2020 at 9:47 AM, Inked said:

Seems like cheap office copy paper has plagued us for centuries...... :yikes:

fpn_1587919546__screenshot_2020-04-26_at

 

 

 

...the trick is not to hide the weakness, but flaunt it.

 

 

Inked

I cannot see the bleed though with that small image. But it appears to be issues with storage of the book. Ie., spiderwebs were allowed to form around the book it was not dusted for years. Moreover, it looks like damage due to age.Ie., the pages rubbing against each other. Something that I found common in old mathematics text (I have many of these). Some of the pages of the books look like this, but when I write my notes in the margins, I notice no bleeding with a f nib Pelikan.

 

 

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It's also possible that they used iron gall ink (which was common) and it has eaten through a good portion of the paper.  The show-through may not have happened when they wrote the book.

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