J Herbin Pronunciation

[aurore]

A fascinating duscussion.
Btw it made me to have a look at several SBREBrown's J. Herbin videos and I have not found his pronunciation all that incorrect.
Anyway, I believe at J. Herbin they do not mind what one pronounces the company's name, even if he or she calls them Sailor instead, as long as he or she buys their inks instead of Sailor

[Namo]

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/166037-pronunciation/page-1

[Bibliophage]

A fascinating duscussion.

Btw it made me to have a look at several SBREBrown's J. Herbin videos and I have not found his pronunciation all that incorrect.

Anyway, I believe at J. Herbin they do not mind what one pronounces the company's name, even if he or she calls them Sailor instead, as long as he or she buys their inks instead of Sailor

+1

 

Call me anything you want, as long as you don't call me late for dinner.

[A Smug Dill]

In many ways it is dead simple (just the verb conjugation is ridiculously easy, no change except for he/she/it and even then you just tack an "s" onto the regular verb and that's that),.

That claim crashes and burns readily, I think.

[Olya]

That claim crashes and burns readily, I think.

Dang those pesky exceptions!!

[Kalessin]

"Jay Her Bin" is the pronounciation I would expect by an American English speaker. It's also how I'd ask for a bottle of their ink over the counter at a store where I didn't know the staff know French pronounciation.

 

My German-origin last name has the same first syllable, and the same sort of hard consonant starting the second syllable. When I've been visiting France, the leading H is barely pronounced, and the first syllable comes out almost sounding like "air" with just the tiniest hint of an H at the start.

[awa54]

Sell it Quebec; they'll know how to pronounce it.

 

 

The French are not amused by people conflating Quebecois with French...

[TSherbs]

The French are not amused by people conflating Quebecois with French...

The latter uses more cheese and wine?

[dan in montreal]

 

 

The French are not amused by people conflating Quebecois with French...

 

In some cases, it's quite the opposite!

 

Kidding aside, I find this isn't really the case. Some Parisians might feel like they own the language but they don't represent "the French".

 

The thread is interesting. I don't think it's a big deal if a name is mispronounced. However, if you know you are making a mistake, why not try to correct it?

 

Nah, I'm from Ontario. We're not welcome in their land

As for this, I'll just pretend I didn't read it and chalk it up to a misguided attempt to be funny.

[Bibliophage]

 

In some cases, it's quite the opposite!

 

Kidding aside, I find this isn't really the case. Some Parisians might feel like they own the language but they don't represent "the French".

 

The thread is interesting. I don't think it's a big deal if a name is mispronounced. However, if you know you are making a mistake, why not try to correct it?

 

As for this, I'll just pretend I didn't read it and chalk it up to a misguided attempt to be funny.

I was in Hull, Quebec, during the Referendum voting. You never saw so many uptight Quebecois on the streets, toques and all. I've experienced the "Are you British Canadian, or just American" dislike before. (It's along the lines of "I know I don't like you, but I haven't decided how MUCH I don't like you") Never thought I'd be glad for Texas license plates while travelling

[inkstainedruth]

According to a friend of mine, who is originally from Ontario and now lives in the US, and who teaches middle or high school (forget which) French and Spanish -- even "French" isn't French any more. She said the teens in Paris now speak in run-on sentences where you can't differentiate between the words, it's spoken so quickly.

(She's also the one with whom I had a VERY interesting conversation with a couple of summers ago about the Meach Lake Accords -- but that veers into politics, which is a forbidden topic on FPN....)

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[bemon]

 

 

 

As for this, I'll just pretend I didn't read it and chalk it up to a misguided attempt to be funny.

Tongue and cheek? Yes. Misguided? Ask anyone who's had to inquire for directions around Quebec City in English.

[DilettanteG]

The best rule in the English language is that there are practically no rules. Re pronunciation, re spelling. I just love that poem "I take it you already know". At least (at best?), English (non-personal) substantives have no gender, while French has two and German three. Worse yet, in German they also have to start off with a capital letter.

Whew

 

Thanks for the link. That's utterly charming.

[awa54]

 

In some cases, it's quite the opposite!

 

Kidding aside, I find this isn't really the case. Some Parisians might feel like they own the language but they don't represent "the French".

 

The thread is interesting. I don't think it's a big deal if a name is mispronounced. However, if you know you are making a mistake, why not try to correct it?

 

 

 

Ahh, I can't really say anything about it anyway, since I'm an idiot American who only speaks one language I think it's a bit like Germans complaining about the way Austrians speak "their" language...

 

As far as my own travels in Quebec, I have to say that the level of acceptance and acommodation for Anglophone visitors, at least in Montreal and the surrounding area, has gotten much better than when I used to visit a friend who went to McGill in the late 80s. Back then it was pretty routine to have someone talk about you in an uncomplimentary way right in front of you (I don't *speak* anything else, but can pick up a certain amount of content in several Romance languages). In the past twenty years of occasional visits, I haven't seen *anything* like that, everyone has been very friendly and if they didn't speak English well, have at least tried to meet my non-existant French half way.

 

The driving habits in Quebec have also gotten a bit more relaxed, I remember 80s Montreal being second only to Boston as far as being an insane city to drive in, now it's pretty easygoing, if only the construction would finally end

Edited February 7, 2020 by awa54

[corniche]

The French are not amused by people conflating Quebecois with French...

Hi Awa54,

 

Ask me if I care. (Rhetorical ?).

 

 

Sean

[Namo]

Tongue and cheek? Yes. Misguided? Ask anyone who's had to inquire for directions around Quebec City in English.

It's funny how some posts receive a "no politics" warning and how some others don't. If I am in Toronto, I expext people to speak English. If in Québec... well, I let you guess.

[bemon]

It's funny how some posts receive a "no politics" warning and how some others don't. If I am in Toronto, I expext people to speak English. If in Québec... well, I let you guess.

It's not really a politics thing to be fair. Light hearted bigotry at best. But all of that aside, my aunt is Paris born QC raised. My dad was born in Montreal, raised in Toronto. Most of my family is Toronto born and raised, or at least southern Ontario not too far from the heart of it all.

 

So we all tease each other where applicable and no on takes it seriously.

[inkstainedruth]

 

The driving habits in Quebec have also gotten a bit more relaxed, I remember 80s Montreal being second only to Boston as far as being an insane city to drive in, now it's pretty easygoing, if only the construction would finally end

 

I remember going to Montreal with my parents when I was about 10 or12 to see the "Man And His World" exhibit (the aftermath of Expo from a year or two before). My dad was happy to find a motel near the exposition site so he didn't have to drive in downtown Montreal again....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[abstract49]

I was in Hull, Quebec, during the Referendum voting. You never saw so many uptight Quebecois on the streets, toques and all. I've experienced the "Are you British Canadian, or just American" dislike before. (It's along the lines of "I know I don't like you, but I haven't decided how MUCH I don't like you") Never thought I'd be glad for Texas license plates while travelling

 

This reminds me of my experience in 1964, in Valley Forge, PA, at the Boy Scouts of America National Jamboree. Pardon me for this being somewhat off the original topic, but I think it's apropos this post:

 

When my BSA troop encountered a Canadian troop (red berets, English speakers), they were very friendly, and we had a fun exchange - primarily conversation, but there was some actual exchange of our field caps for red berets. Then before parting, these red beret scouts warned us to watch out for the Canadians with blue berets (French Canadian - we didn't know the term Quebecois at that time); they disliked everybody not French and were always spoiling for a fight, as much with (U.S.) Americans as with non-French Canadians, according to the red berets.

 

Well, not long after, we did encounter a troop of blue berets, and they were indeed a pretty feisty lot. However, when they saw that we were from Texas, everything changed. Seems they saw Texans as kindred spirits, fiercely independent, proud of their unique heritage among other Americans. We had an equally fun exchange with these fellows as with the former.

 

I only regret that I did not exchange my field cap, or some other piece of uniform, for one of those blue berets!

[awa54]

Today's ink is Herbin Vert de Gris, in a steel capped, gray Sheaffer Imperial III that I restored last night. A great color and fairly easy to pronounce without completely mangling the name

 

My first bottle of Herbin was Eclat de Saphir, maybe 20 years ago and either it, or a bottle of Omas Sepia started or at least exacerbated a round of SITB in my rotation... After that experience I stayed away for many years, but the colors are so awesome that I had to start using them again and all have been trouble free, with excellent performance!

Edited February 8, 2020 by awa54