Sailor Kop In Tamenuri Urushi

[mke]

A nice Sailor KoP (apart from the price) in the Tamenuri Urushi finish

https://www.vulpennen.nl/nl/merken/SAILKOPTAMM--sailor-king-of-pens-tamenuri-urushi-vulpen.html

 

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by mke

[zaddick]

Yikes that price. Custom work would be so much cheaper.

[mke]

and reading the Sailor advertisement it is even not fully hand-made; they say that the signature and the number are hand-painted

 

IMO that says that the rest is spray-painted.

[whichwatch]

Gorgeous pen but the price makes it a non-starter for me.

[Sakura FP Gallery]

and reading the Sailor advertisement it is even not fully hand-made; they say that the signature and the number are hand-painted

 

IMO that says that the rest is spray-painted.

 

what or who is IMO ?

[rutherfordr]

Catherine,

 

"IMO" is short for "in my opinion". Here's one of the many lists of Intrernet communication acronyms and abbreviations:

 

https://www.smart-words.org/abbreviations/text.html

[Sakura FP Gallery]

I see. What makes you think it is spray-painted ?

[Betweenthelines]

I currently have an ebonite KOP with Ernest Shin being given the Kuro Tamenuri treatment, at a far better price than this. Heck for this price you could have 3 KOP's in tamenuri finishes if you commissioned it.

[Mulrich]

I like Sailor pens and I like Tamenuri Urushi but I don't like Sailor's recent pricing strategy.

 

Hmm… Looking at Anderson Pens, the 'base' Urushi King of Pen sells for ~$2000 and the lone special edition Urushi King of Pen is $3400. Buying through Akkerman and shipping to the US would be about $3000 USD (no VAT). This is a 50% premium over a standard Urushi model which seems steep to me but LE pens often carry a heavy markup. I still think this is a silly price but I also think their standard Urushi models are way overpriced (Nakaya's Urushi pens start at ~$500).

[zaddick]

I like Sailor pens and I like Tamenuri Urushi but I don't like Sailor's recent pricing strategy.

 

Hmm… Looking at Anderson Pens, the 'base' Urushi King of Pen sells for ~$2000 and the lone special edition Urushi King of Pen is $3400. Buying through Akkerman and shipping to the US would be about $3000 USD (no VAT). This is a 50% premium over a standard Urushi model which seems steep to me but LE pens often carry a heavy markup. I still think this is a silly price but I also think their standard Urushi models are way overpriced (Nakaya's Urushi pens start at ~$500).

 

I agree with you. I will say that Sailor urushi quality is a step above Nakaya to me, but not a large enough step to justify the price differential.

[zaddick]

I currently have an ebonite KOP with Ernest Shin being given the Kuro Tamenuri treatment, at a far better price than this. Heck for this price you could have 3 KOP's in tamenuri finishes if you commissioned it.

 

Ernest does great work if you can wait for it. I'd love to see a photo when you get it back.

[mke]

> What makes you think it is spray-painted ?

 

Their choice of words in the announcement. "The artist has hand painted his signature and the limited number on each barrel."

 

Either this is a very unfortunate choice of words and doesn't mean anything, or it has a meaning.

 

I personally think, it has a meaning and means exactly what it says. The artist has ONLY hand painted his signature and the limited number on each barrel.

For the rest of the painting, there are two possibilities;

1) other people hand-painted the pens

2) spray-painted pens

When I posted the first answer to my posting, I forgot that 1) also would be covered by their choice of words.

 

Reminds me on artists who had schools which painted like the head-master. The head-master then signed "his" drawing.

Or I have heard that same famous book authors (from the US) have writers who pre-write the stories and the official author then goes over this prefabricated stuff.

 

About the moral/ethical? side of that kind of doing, your personal choice what to think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2019 by mke

[raging.dragon]

> What makes you think it is spray-painted ?

 

Their choice of words in the announcement. "The artist has hand painted his signature and the limited number on each barrel."

 

Either this is a very unfortunate choice of words and doesn't mean anything, or it has a meaning.

 

I personally think, it has a meaning and means exactly what it says. The artist has ONLY hand painted his signature and the limited number on each barrel.

For the rest of the painting, there are two possibilities;

1) other people hand-painted the pens

2) spray-painted pens

When I posted the first answer to my posting, I forgot that 1) also would be covered by their choice of words.

 

Reminds me on artists who had schools which painted like the head-master. The head-master then signed "his" drawing.

Or I have heard that same famous book authors (from the US) have writers who pre-write the stories and the official author then goes over this prefabricated stuff.

 

About the moral/ethical? side of that kind of doing, your personal choice what to think.

 

I have my doubts about the viability of spray painting Urushi. Urushiol is the active ingredient in both Urushi lacquer and poison ivy. Having a fine mist of if permeating a shop would make it rather difficult for the artist(s) to breath.

 

A tame nuri finish requires several coats. It's conceivable that the black primer coat is done by dipping the pen in Urushi or that the primer and base (bright/vermillion red in this case) coats would be brushed on and polished by apprentices. With the signing artist painting the more critical final layers and performing the final polishing.

Edited March 30, 2019 by raging.dragon

[mke]

You have never heard of closed spray chambers and robotic sprayers?

[MartinPauli]

my thoughts on this matter:

 

Tame-Nuri is a techniqque among the Nuritate-Urushi Family.

Here the pen was lacquered with red "Shû-Neri" and a final coat of transparent urushi without polishing.

 

Nuritate was a technique developed several hundred years ago to imitate polished "Roiro" Urushi, respectively to save the time consuming work of polishing.

 

Nuritate was made by applying urushi mixed with Camphor oil. The oil gave the urushi surface the shine of polished lacquer and made pigmented urushi smoother and more liquid to be brushed.

Nuritate was originally used for cheap mass lacquer ware.

 

Today Nuritate is still applied for masss produuctss with oil mixed urushi called Shuai-Urushi., respectively sprayed by Urushi/Chemicals 10%/90% or better quality 20%/80%

 

Today Nuritate is applied also on high quality urushi ware but with pure and very liquid Japanese urushi without oil. This Nuritate is not shiny but matte and through use the exposed areas will become shiny.

 

I personally think the Sailor pen was hand lacquered in high quality nuritate-urushi, at least it looks so. I cannot imagin, that a limited Edition of 30 pieces is sprayed, although I don't know the price of the pen

[mke]

3500 Euro.

[rudyhou]

that urushi looks awesome

[jandrese]

Looks lovely. I believe there are 3 coming to the USA.

[Ppsystem]

It's so beautiful...

[Ppsystem]

It's so beautiful...