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Any help greatly received,

In 1998 my mother gave me a pair of pens, a Waterman Silver Ballpoint and an accompanying fountain pen. I lost the ballpoint pen but still have the fountain pen. I really want to get the ballpoint pen again for sentimental value. Please see the attached pictures of the fountain pen and let me know if I have any hope in finding the ballpoint pen (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pJIyMS-y__OSq_ISjW0gFEjoK88CPlLx?usp=sharing)?

I think it is a Waterman Laureat but silver. I used this refill "2384-04-43/1" (http://www.pensfromheaven.com/pen_refills_waterman.htm). The pair were not expensive and seemed to perhaps be a budget range from the company (perhaps €20-50 in 1998).

Many thanks to you all,




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Thank you ever so much for linking the two threads. I would never have seen it otherwise.


Using the new information I found the pen (almost exactly the one) here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-Waterman-Rollerball-PRO-GRADUATE-from-around-1993/152909226205?hash=item239a19a0dd:g:UMsAAOSwWUZahbVa.


Seeing it again, I remember one aspect that is different and that is that the lid was not removable, the pen was a retractable. Stil, it is most definitely a Daytona / Pro Graduate. Could there possibly have been a non 'pro' graduate version?


In any case, thank you all so much. I will set up an eBay search for these terms.

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