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Waterman Still All Made In France?



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I asked Vaibhav Mehadiratta, our Moderator from India:

 

 

Only certain body parts are made in India.
Nibs still are from France.

Quality for Waterman is top notch. Sad part is mostly Medium nib available.

Customer service is also great

 

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We would still like to see a sample.

 

A search through 790 topics on FPN regional sub section, India, revealed nothing on Waterman pens and more to the point no pictures.

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I have heard that Luxor does manufacturing in India for Parker. Now, both Parker and Waterman have the same parent company, NewellRubbermaid. It makes sense they would have a contract with Waterman as well.

 

Doesn't mean they do, but logically it does make sense. But others know more than I. Just thinking out loud/connecting the dots here.

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India has very high import taxes. One of the reasons is that it is a way to encourage foreign (to India) companies to manufacture locally. Even Apple is setting up manufacturing plants in India so that they can sell iPhones to the Indian market. In a previous company that had offices in India we would have some of the Indian software engineers carry several Apple laptops back to the Bangalore office since it was a lot cheaper than having them buy them locally. These laptops traveled from China, to California then back to India. This is a bit silly but bottom line was a lot cheaper that way.

 

My guess is that since Waterman is selling just the nibs it allows Luxor to sell the whole pen for a lot cheaper than if they had to import the pen with the tariff on the full retail price.

 

I've considered getting Parker Ink from India due to the lower price, but apparently the quality is very variable so I'll probably get Camlin ink instead.

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I buy Apple products made in China, designed in California and built to a contracted specification. Adding a couple more, I have American shoes made in Vietnam and a German car built in Romania. I think I have some machine tools made in India. I do not see the fact of manufacture in country X as a disqualification, depending on how good is the native design and how good the subcontractor and contract management.

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Praxis, I hear you. I guess part of the concern is that since the target market is India itself it might mean that the QC might be a lot more lenient than if Waterman was trying to sell the pens back to occidental market where the quality expectation would be higher. AFAIK the Noodler's pens are made in India and I mostly hear very positive reviews about them. I'm personally quite happy with the Ahab. On the other hand I have a set of Camlin pens that leak like crazy, but I blame the Indian eBay seller to swap horrible italic nibs in them. I drive a Korean car and love it, but it will take a lot of improvements before I would even consider driving a Tata.

 

For these Waterman's, I don't know, the fact that they are not low cost suggest that they are still intended for the high end market in India and might actually get more hand inspection time than a french made pen would.

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I have my Carene arriving tomorrow... and reviews on this pen far and wide are outstanding. To my surprise I came across this pen on a well-known on-line retailer site and the reviews were very sub-standard. As I was reading comments there were some mentions of the pen being made in India... I then realized I was on the Indian on-line retailer's site.

 

The most common complaint (and VERY common) was around leaking.

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I have my Carene arriving tomorrow... and reviews on this pen far and wide are outstanding. To my surprise I came across this pen on a well-known on-line retailer site and the reviews were very sub-standard. As I was reading comments there were some mentions of the pen being made in India... I then realized I was on the Indian on-line retailer's site.

 

The most common complaint (and VERY common) was around leaking.

The Made in India issue was never fully resolved to my satisfaction.

 

Did you ever receive the Carene and if so perhaps you could post some pictures.

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The Made in India issue was never fully resolved to my satisfaction.

 

Did you ever receive the Carene and if so perhaps you could post some pictures.

 

To clarify, I looked for this pen thinking I was on the US site, but was on the India site and saw the poor reviews. After that I found the US site with glowing reviews of the pen. This is where I made the purchase.

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Anjan Roy
On 1/11/2018 at 4:40 AM, max dog said:

There is a big sticker on the box the pen came in and says:

 

"Manufactured by: Luxor Writing Instruments Pvt. Ltd, Sidicul, Ranipur, Hartdwar, Uttrarakhand...

Waterman is a registered trademark of Europe Brands SARL, or the affiliates and is used in India/Nepal by Luxor Writing Instruments Ltd., by their permission. "

"Month and Year of manufacture: 03/2017"

 

The pen was bought on Amazon Canada from I guess an Indian seller.

 

So in India, Waterman pens are made by Luxor Writing Instruments Ltd in India?

Does this sound legit?

 

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Sounds like a total scam by Luxor, possibly with some collusion by the parent corporation of Waterman.  Caveat emptor still rules.  When I'm considering more modern Watermans, I'll be sure to check where they were made.

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