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I have been looking to develop my "Warm Earth" tones in general and my red earths in particular.
Diamine seemed to have some good options (I have my "Cold Stone" colors from De Atramentis).

I couldn't really find a good comparison so I narrowed it down to the few that I was most interested in and plumped for 30ml bottles rather than samples.

It's neither scientific nor thorough, but I thought I would post my initial impressions as I couldn't find anything similar.




. . . . which is a scan but the colors for Ochre and Rustic Brown are not true at all. I tried taking a photo, which is a much more fiddly process, but the colors seem truer:




Two more bricks that I didn't like on the first page - I thought the Copper was rather strong!




The Monaco Red might be a bit too pink in that one?


Anyway it seems I have added the following to my "Sub-Tertiary Color Circle":


Yellow Earths: Sepia and Ochre

Orange Earths: Burnt Sienna and Ancient Copper

Red Earths: Oxblood & Monaco Red (both still tending to orange - which is what I was looking for!)

I don't have any "True Reds"!

Rustic Brown I would count as a Rose - it's really on the purple end (where my sample of Morinda seemed to fit too).


On the Orange front I also have Autumn Oak, a decent Coral (house blend!) and an Orange with a cute elephant on the label, but as these aren't anywhere near "brick" they did not seem relevant here.


Hmmm, the only thing I might add is that this is my "cheap scribbling" paper (Daiso - great cheap paper for ink work!) rather than anything fancy, so the colors are a bit flatter than they might be elsewhere.

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These aren't my colors, except possibly the Rustic Brown, but your work is lovely, especially the script.

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These aren't my colors, except possibly the Rustic Brown, but your work is lovely, especially the script.

That's funny! Rustic Brown has been my only "red" for a long time, and a very fine Russet it is too! Eventually I came to realize that I have been avoiding the color red, which when you think about it is as silly as avoiding a certain note on the piano! Hence the current experiment.


At first I thought "Why would anyone write in red?" - possibly due to negative experiences in school and bookkeeping? So now I am confronting my antipathy (generally a healthy exercise)! My first tentative step was R&K "Fernambuk" in a Japanese EF nib (Pilot Penmanship - terrific nib!) - great for correcting and annotating without the "red associations"! That's still avoiding!


Today I have "Monaco Red" in my Noodler's Neponset with a Music nib. It is dark enough to be a writing ink but distinctly red. I'll let you know how I get on!

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Thank you for the comparisons. I really like Rustic Brown, but I treat it as a reddish brown shade. I know many people don't like reddish browns and thought I was the only one who liked it. After reading your thread, I must also revisit Monaco Red. :)

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Very nice work. Kudos.


Brown is my default color and always look for brown shades that will look good in fountain pen writing. Will be trying at least Ancient Copper soon.

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My favourites would be Sailor Oku-yama and Noodler's Antietam, with follow ups of Diamine Syrah and Diamine Amaranth. For darker shades I use Montblanc Burgundy Red and Montegrappa Bordeaux.


My favourite browns would be Pelikan Brilliant Brown and Noodler's Kiowa Pecan.


So many wonderful colours, so little time....

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I've got Ancient Copper loaded in one of my Visconti stubs and it's reminded me how much I love this ink. Positively floats and the color is glorious.

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