Permanent Red?

[northstar]

Hello,

 

Any suggestions for a permanent well behaving ink???

Thank you in advance.

 

Best regards.

[AndyYNWA]

De Atramentis Document Red maybe...

[Michael R.]

Noodler's Eternal Red Fox is an ink I really enjoy.

 

Cheers

 

Michael

[northstar]

So all noodler "eternal" series is permanent?

[inkstainedruth]

I'm rather fond of Noodler's Park Red. Not the "ideal" red red, IMO -- that would Diamine Classic Red -- but pretty close (and more water resistant than DCR).

The trouble with the D'A Document ink is that it's, um, not red. More of a salmon pink. If you're more concerned about the permanence and less about the color, Document Red is fine. But it's not "red" by any stretch of the imagination.

Can't say for Noodler's Fox Red -- I haven't tried it.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[northstar]

Yes the DE atramentis is more pinkish than true red, and I am looking for red that is permanent.

[AndyYNWA]

So all noodler "eternal" series is permanent?

It depends on what you mean by "permanent". "Permanent" isn't really a good word to use, because it means different things to different people.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/296727-non-permanent-inks-what-happens/?p=3452530

[northstar]

By permanent I mainly mean waterproof but other "wear and tear resistant" characteristics are very welcomed.

[northstar]

Will explain the purpose, then I think it will give a better idea of what suits.

Decided that I want to teach some cases, so I will deal with marking homework and exams, the ink color is of course red.

[AndyYNWA]

Red is a bit tricky... There is Sailor Storia Fire Red, but it's probably not red enough for you.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/289736-sailor-storia-fire-red-pigmented-nano-particle-ink/

Edited October 20, 2015 by AndyYNWA

[ksm]

I've asked Konrad of KWZI about grading ink. He said, that IG cherry will be available in second half of November.

[HalloweenHJB]

I'm rather fond of Noodler's Park Red. Not the "ideal" red red, IMO -- that would Diamine Classic Red -- but pretty close (and more water resistant than DCR).

The trouble with the D'A Document ink is that it's, um, not red. More of a salmon pink. If you're more concerned about the permanence and less about the color, Document Red is fine. But it's not "red" by any stretch of the imagination.

Can't say for Noodler's Fox Red -- I haven't tried it.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

 

Same exact problem with Noodler's Fox Ink — NOT red. Very pale and when you expected something red, you get washed-out red. Very sad. After I bought it, and gave it away.

[Michael R.]

Mine isn't too washed out looking; I agree in a slightly chalky look (like on most Noodler's eternal inks) but it is far from pale (but than I was using a pen with a good & wet ink flow for the review):

 

http://pensninks.blogspot.de/2014/12/blog-post_26.html

 

Cheers

 

Michael

[northstar]

So I could conclude that there is no red 8nk to fit my requirement?

[amberleadavis]

You would probably be best served by mixing De Atramentis Magenta and De Atramentis Yellow.

[amberleadavis]

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/275148-de-atramentis-document-cmyk-inks-mixing-experiment/

 

http://www.lizsteel.com/2014/12/de-atramentis-document-inks.html

 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b6wDedurMCA/VH-rgP8xVeI/AAAAAAAAQL4/mTCMXas4ejA/s1600/s141202%2BDeA%2BDocuments%2BInk%2BDocument%2Bink%2B2.jpg

[northstar]

Thank you for the great replies, it seems the De atramentis is the best option, but since they are out of my reach, I will have to stick to my waterman red, sheesh, please no one tell the students that it's not water resistant.

 

Best regards.

[amberleadavis]

I will see if I can find some.

[Abner C. Kemp]

Thank you for the great replies, it seems the De atramentis is the best option, but since they are out of my reach, I will have to stick to my waterman red, sheesh, please no one tell the students that it's not water resistant.

 

Best regards.

 

Sheaffer used to make a permanent red ink that was known to be well behaved. It can still be found sites like eBay for a fairly reasonable price. Obviously, there is some risk in buying vintage ink but that might be an option.

 

But, I think it is also important to note that you don't really need a water proof ink for marking if the reasoning behind it is that you think the students might somehow "erase" the ink. That would be a futile effort as red inks are notorious for blowing up and staining paper at the sight of water. Also, since most copier paper these days is so absorbent, even non permanent inks will leave a lasting impression on paper regardless of water simply because the ink is absorbed so deeply into the paper fibers.

 

My suggestion would be to look into a "water resistant" red (i.e. an ink that won't completely evaporate from and stain paper with water). There should be quite a few of these. Montblanc Winter Glow, which was one of their limited edition inks comes to mind. When the ink comes into contact with water it loses some of it's color and runs a bit but the original writing is still perfectly legible on the page. I'm sure others can chime in with a few more.

 

A final option, and a much more daring one, would be to simply purchase a few cheap chinese pens and fill them with dip pen ink. If you do a search here you will find some threads from members who frequently use dip pen ink in their fountain pens and are able to do so without too much issue. I think some of the J. Herbin dip inks do fairly well (but don't quote me on that). The nice thing about the dip pen ink is that it is permanent as all hell and if you threw it in a $3.00 Jinhao X450 and it clogged up the feed, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

Happy teaching!!

Edited October 25, 2015 by Abner C. Kemp