danielpi Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) For reference, here is a list of pen manufacturers and who supplies their nibs. I've gathered this from a lot of different sources (including older posts in FPN forums). I'll update and correct the list as I come across new data. There have been several earlier attempts to organize this information on FPN, but hopefully this is a bit more organized/centralized. For the record, I am aware (and should caution readers who are not) that not all Bock or JoWo nibs are the same. The mere fact that, e.g., Visconti and Omas both use "Bock manufactured nibs" does not mean, ipso facto, that they use the "same nib." In that particular case, the nibs are very different. Also, it is worth dispelling the mistaken notion that in-house nibs are “better” than Bock or JoWo nibs. This is patently untrue. Most high end pen-makers will do a lot of finishing after receiving pens from Bock or JoWo, which are already made to their unique specifications at the factory; they are merely taking advantage of the economies of scale offered by a dedicated nib manufacturer (the "artistry" of smoothing and finishing that give a brand's pens their unique "feel" is almost always done in-house by all pen-makers). That said, it is sometimes interesting who makes the nibs for whom, and to that end, I present the following list. Updated June 3, 2017. Organized by pen-maker: Brand Current Nib Supplier Historical Sources Ancora In-House Aurora In-House Bexley JoWo Until early 2000s: Bock for gold, Schmidt/JoWo for steel Caran D'Ache Bock Cleo-Skribent Bock Conid Bock Conklin JoWo Conway Stewart Bock Pre-1920: Warranted, 1920-1975: In-House Cross In-House and Sailor (only for Peerless 125) Pelikan and Pilot Danitrio Bock (except 24k #50 sized nib on the Yokozuna series, made by an undisclosed Japanese company JoWo Delta Bock Diplomat Bock Dupont Bock Eboya Bock Edison JoWo Elysee Bock (finishing by SP Dupont?) Faber Castell JoWo Graf von Faber Castell Bock Franklin Christoph JoWo for steel, Bock and JoWo for gold Formerly all Bock (including some Schmidt branded Bock) Goulet JoWo Hakase Pilot (and Sailor, but mainly Pilot) Helico Bock Karas Kustoms Bock Kaweco Bock Lamy Mainly In-House; Bock for specialty nibs Exclusively Bock in the beginning Magna Carta Bock Montblanc In-House Montegrappa Bock Monteverde Bock Ohashido Sailor Omas Bock In-house until 2000 Onoto Bock Parker In-House Pelikan In-House Originally Montblanc nibs, later in-house, switched to Bock 1997, transitioned back to in-house since mid-2000s Pilot/Namiki In-House Platinum In-House Romillo In-House Sailor In-House Sheaffer Bock In-house Signum Bock Stipula Bock Stylo Art Sailor, Platinum, Pilot, and Bock Taccia Sailor and JoWo TWSBI Bock and JoWo Urso Bock Visconti Bock Waterman In-House Yard-o-Led Bock And organized by nib-maker: Bock Caran D'Ache, Cleo Skribent, Conid, Conway Stewart, Danitrio, Delta, Diplomat, Dupont, Eboya, Elysee, Graf von Faber Castell, Franklin Christoph, Helico, Kaweco, Karas Kustoms, Montegrappa, Monteverde, Omas, Onoto, Sheaffer, Signum, Stipula, Stylo Art, TWSBI, Visconti, Yard-o-Led In-House Ancora, Aurora, Lamy, Montblanc, Parker, Pelikan, Pilot/Namiki, Platinum, Romillo, Sailor, Waterman JoWo Bexley, Conklin, Edison, Faber Castell, Franklin Christoph, Goulet, Taccia, TWSBI Pilot Hakase, Pilot/Namiki, Stylo Art Sailor Hakase, Ohashido, Sailor, Stylo Art, Taccia If you have any additions or corrections, please include a link to where you found your info. Thanks! Edited June 3, 2017 by RMN http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/danielpi/POTY-2006-Pen_zpsmhccbtxj.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
fabri00 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Omas?About Noodler's, I dont think they produce nibs, as they do not even produce pens..... Edited September 21, 2015 by fabri00 Link to post Share on other sites
danielpi Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Omas?About Noodler's, I dont think they produce nibs, as they do not even produce pens..... Huh. I thought I did Omas, but I guess I copied over it while making the table. It's been a bit of a pain getting the table to work. Added it again. Thanks for that. As for Noodlers... uh, yeah, they do produce pens. They have been for the past couple years. You've never heard of the Ahab? It's been big news. Edited September 21, 2015 by danielpi http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/danielpi/POTY-2006-Pen_zpsmhccbtxj.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
jar Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I don't think ST Dupont makes their own nibs. Noodler's does not make any pens or nibs. IIRC they rebrand an Indian made pen. Bock owns Schmidt. My Website Link to post Share on other sites
danielpi Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 I don't think ST Dupont makes their own nibs. Noodler's does not make any pens or nibs. IIRC they rebrand an Indian made pen. Bock owns Schmidt. Okay, I dug around a bit, and it seems you're right. Dupont gets their nibs from Bock. Or at least some of them. I've updated the table accordingly. Thanks. Noodler's pens are manufactured in India. I don't believe it's a rebranding of an existing model, however. And I don't think their nibs come from JoWo or Bock (or any other manufacturer). I admit, I had trouble getting any detailed information here. Some additional clarification on the source of Noodler's nibs seems to be needed... Schmidt seems to be in the business of finishing nibs. They have historically finished nibs either from JoWo or Bock. I don't know if they're owned by Bock, but on the list, I think I've basically counted them as Bock, so it's a moot point. http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/danielpi/POTY-2006-Pen_zpsmhccbtxj.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
Randal6393 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Well. Noodler's may not equip their pens with Bock or JoWo nibs. But, thanks to Goulet Pens (et al), it is very easy to change out the nibs for JoWo # 6 nibs, where they will fit. Yes, I did it to all of my Ahabs and Konrads. As for Conklin pens, I have several Conklins and the nibs may be made by JoWo. But they are quite different from the Goulet Pens JoWo nibs I buy. Not that they are any less, just not quite the same. And my Conklins are happy to take a JoWo nib from a pen shop. This case also applies to the TWSBI's I have bought. Interesting, enjoy, Yours,RandalFrom a person's actions, we may infer attitudes, beliefs, --- and values. We do not know these characteristics outright. The human dichotomies of trust and distrust, honor and duplicity, love and hate --- all depend on internal states we cannot directly experience. Isn't this what adds zest to our life? Link to post Share on other sites
AltecGreen Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Danitrio is much more complicated. Many of the early pens had JoWo nibs. The current nibs (with fireball imprint) are Bock execpt the 24k #50 sized nib on the Yokozuna series which are made by an undisclosed company in Japan. Conway Stewart were in-house until the original company went under in 1975. (Although it is unclear towards the end whether they made their own nibs). Here is some more info Signum use Bock nibs Eboya uses Bock nibs Stylo Art uses Platinum, Pilot, Sailor, and Bock nibs. Hakase has used both Sailor and Pilot nibs and feeds. I think they currently are Pilot nibs but I haven't checked recently. 2020 San Francisco Pen Show August 28-30th, 2020Pullman Hotel San Francisco Bay223 Twin Dolphin DriveRedwood City Ca, 94065 Link to post Share on other sites
hari317 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 In the pelikan entry under historical, their initial nibs were supplied by Montblanc. In case you wish to write to me, pls use ONLY email by clicking here. I do not check PMs. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
fabri00 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Noodler's pens are manufactured in India. I don't believe it's a rebranding of an existing model, however. And I don't think their nibs come from JoWo or Bock (or any other manufacturer). I admit, I had trouble getting any detailed information here. Some additional clarification on the source of Noodler's nibs seems to be needed.There are not only jowo or bock as nib manufacturer: in Asia other companies makes nib.The nibs of noodlers are produced from somebody in asia. Fountain pen revolution sell same nibs unbranded. Noodlers pens are a rebrandinh of existing pens, with very minor changes like the clip. Link to post Share on other sites
Jamerelbe Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 There are not only jowo or bock as nib manufacturer: in Asia other companies makes nib.The nibs of noodlers are produced from somebody in asia. Fountain pen revolution sell same nibs unbranded. Noodlers pens are a rebrandinh of existing pens, with very minor changes like the clip.I believe this comment is correct re Noodler's pens:they are made in India, and adapted from existing designs. I don't know where Noodler's get their nibs from, but they are quite different from the nibs supplied by Fountain Pen Revolution. FP Revolution nibs are definitely made by Indian manufacturers - the #5 nibs sourced from a different maker than the #5.5,with the latter a significant step up in quality. Link to post Share on other sites
danielpi Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Danitrio is much more complicated. Many of the early pens had JoWo nibs. The current nibs (with fireball imprint) are Bock execpt the 24k #50 sized nib on the Yokozuna series which are made by an undisclosed company in Japan. Conway Stewart were in-house until the original company went under in 1975. (Although it is unclear towards the end whether they made their own nibs). Here is some more info Signum use Bock nibs Eboya uses Bock nibs Stylo Art uses Platinum, Pilot, Sailor, and Bock nibs. Hakase has used both Sailor and Pilot nibs and feeds. I think they currently are Pilot nibs but I haven't checked recently. This is great information. I'll update the table accordingly. Right now the editor seems to be site software out and won't let me edit the post, but as soon as that gets fixed, I'll add your info. Thanks. In the pelikan entry under historical, their initial nibs were supplied by Montblanc. Is this true? That's interesting. I'll need to verify that. Thank you very much. There are not only jowo or bock as nib manufacturer: in Asia other companies makes nib.The nibs of noodlers are produced from somebody in asia. Fountain pen revolution sell same nibs unbranded. Noodlers pens are a rebrandinh of existing pens, with very minor changes like the clip.I believe this comment is correct re Noodler's pens:they are made in India, and adapted from existing designs. I don't know where Noodler's get their nibs from, but they are quite different from the nibs supplied by Fountain Pen Revolution. FP Revolution nibs are definitely made by Indian manufacturers - the #5 nibs sourced from a different maker than the #5.5,with the latter a significant step up in quality. Yeah, okay. I think I'd better just remove Noodler, unless one of you can find the name of the Asian nib supplier. http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/danielpi/POTY-2006-Pen_zpsmhccbtxj.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
jar Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Romillo Pens makes their own nibs IIRC. My Website Link to post Share on other sites
fabri00 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I believe this comment is correct re Noodler's pens:they are made in India, and adapted from existing designs. I don't know where Noodler's get their nibs from, but they are quite different from the nibs supplied by Fountain Pen Revolution. FP Revolution nibs are definitely made by Indian manufacturers - the #5 nibs sourced from a different maker than the #5.5,with the latter a significant step up in quality.One of the nibs sold from fpr look to me the same of noodlers ahab and conrad. Link to post Share on other sites
rwilsonedn Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 In the pelikan entry under historical, their initial nibs were supplied by Montblanc. Do I remember correctly that Pelikan subsequently decided to outsource their nibs, didn't like the result, and pulled nib-making in-house again a few years ago?ron Link to post Share on other sites
danielpi Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 For reference, here is a list of pen manufacturers and who supplies their nibs. I've gathered this from a lot of different sources (including older posts in FPN forums). I'll update and correct the list as I come across new data. There have been several earlier attempts to organize this information on FPN, but hopefully this is a bit more organized/centralized. For the record, I am aware (and should caution readers who are not) that not all Bock or JoWo nibs are the same. The mere fact that, e.g., Visconti and Omas both use "Bock manufactured nibs" does not mean, ipso facto, that they use the "same nib." In that particular case, the nibs are very different. Also, it is worth dispelling the mistaken notion that in-house nibs are “better” than Bock or JoWo nibs. This is patently untrue. Most high end pen-makers will do a lot of finishing after receiving pens from Bock or JoWo, which are already made to their unique specifications at the factory; they are merely taking advantage of the economies of scale offered by a dedicated nib manufacturer (the "artistry" of smoothing and finishing that give a brand's pens their unique "feel" is almost always done in-house by all pen-makers). That said, it is sometimes interesting who makes the nibs for whom, and to that end, I present the following list. Brand Current Nib Supplier Historical Sources Ancora In-House Aurora In-House Bexley JoWo Until early 2000s: Bock for gold, Schmidt/JoWo for steel Caran D'Ache Bock Conid Bock Conklin JoWo Conway Stewart Bock Pre-1920: Warranted, 1920-1975: In-House Danitrio Bock (except 24k #50 sized nib on the Yokozuna series, made by an undisclosed Japanese company JoWo Delta Bock Dupont Bock Eboya Bock Edison JoWo Faber Castell JoWo Graf von Faber Castell Bock Franklin Christoph JoWo for steel, Bock and JoWo for gold Formerly all Bock (including some Schmidt branded Bock) Goulet JoWo Hakase Pilot Pilot and Sailor Kaweco Bock Lamy Mainly In-House; Bock for specialty nibs Exclusively Bock in the beginning Montblanc In-House Montegrappa Bock Monteverde Bock Omas Bock In-house until 2000 Parker In-House Pelikan In-House Originally Montblanc nibs, later in-house, switched to Bock 1997, transitioned back to in-house since mid-2000s Pilot/Namiki In-House Platinum In-House Romillo In-House Sailor In-House Sheaffer Bock In-house Eboya Bock Signum Bock Stylo Art Sailor, Platinum, Pilot, and Bock TWSBI Bock and JoWo Visconti Bock Waterman In-House Interestingly, of the 36 brands listed, 55.5% use Bock nibs, 30.5% make their nibs in-house, 19.4% use JoWo nibs, and 13.8% use a Japanese nib-maker (i.e., Pilot, Sailor, or Platinum). Note that the numbers don't add up to 100%, because some pen-makers use more than one source. If you have any additions or corrections, please include a link to where you found your info. Thanks! http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/danielpi/POTY-2006-Pen_zpsmhccbtxj.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
tryphon Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 You may add:Urso: BockColumbus: SchmidtFILCAO: Bock and SchmidtMagna Carta: Bock also, I was told that Monte Grappa recently switched from Bock to JoWo http://s26.postimg.org/fp30mhy6x/signature.jpg In punta di penna..... Link to post Share on other sites
danielpi Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 @tryphon First, thanks. Second, Schmidt generally does finishing/smoothing of JoWo or Bock nibs. I don't believe they produce their own nibs. Do you know, in the case of Columbus or FILCAO whether the nibs are Schmidt finished Bock or JoWo? http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww128/danielpi/POTY-2006-Pen_zpsmhccbtxj.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
max dog Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Cross make all their nibs in house, except for their new peerless 125 which sailor supplies the nibs for. Historically pelikan and pilot supplied the nibs. Link to post Share on other sites
fabri00 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Edit....sorry, already answered.... Edited September 23, 2015 by fabri00 Link to post Share on other sites
tryphon Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) @tryphon First, thanks. Second, Schmidt generally does finishing/smoothing of JoWo or Bock nibs. I don't believe they produce their own nibs. Do you know, in the case of Columbus or FILCAO whether the nibs are Schmidt finished Bock or JoWo? They would not be JoWo, since JoWo nibs, according to some people are rumored to be made in China and distributed from a warehouse in Germany.Schmidt nibs used to be different from Bock nibs. The ones I have are definitely not Bocks. If things have changed recently (and it is quite possible), I can't tell. BTW in India you have "Ambitious" and at least another nib manufacturer (and possibly Luxor), in Taiwan you have at least one nib maker and in China you have many more. In Spain you have Inoxcrom. Edited September 23, 2015 by tryphon http://s26.postimg.org/fp30mhy6x/signature.jpg In punta di penna..... Link to post Share on other sites
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