A Review Of The Omas Art Vision In Liquid Green

[soniknitr]

OMAS as you already know is a 90 year old Italian manufacturer of fine writing instruments and related luxury goods. Founded in 1925, it does carry the name of its founder, Armando Simoni. OMAS as it is, stands for Officina Meccanica Armando Simoni, which means workshop for machinery And initially from 1919 - 1925 this workshop had been producing parts and safety mechanisms for pens.. OMAS had launched its first fountain pen in 1927 and had also copied Duofolds for a while. The turning point for the company came in 1932 with the Omas Extra, a faceted celluloid pen. Today, OMAS is no longer a 100% Italian company as it was earlier, after international acquisitions, first with the French LVMH stake in 2000 and then a 90% controlling equity investment of the Hong Kong based luxury conglomerate Xinyu Hengdeli Group in 2007.

 

Below is a link to this review on my blog with more eye-candy . So here it goes:

 

Omas Art Vision Review

 

As for the Arte Italiana Collection, the twelve faceted or dodecagonal pens were first launched in 1930s and they never got out of fashion over all these years. In Italy it’s called Faccettata, which is also representative of Greek Doric Columns. The Vision along with Milord and a larger Paragon belong to the same collection. They are still assembled in Omas boutique job shop one after the other, manually. The Vision comes in two distinct designs - Liquid Blue & Liquid Green limited to 331 pieces per colour. However these pieces are not individually numbered like the Ogiva Vintage runs. Liquid Blue comes trimmed with bright rhodium decor while Liquid Green is trimmed with dark ruthenium decor. The colours are inspired from watercolour shades.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwB2R_oPcX4/Vebk2XYHZdI/AAAAAAAAFXc/1dU-X7ggqak/s1600/1Designs.jpg

 

 

PRESENTATION

 

The Art Vision comes in a luxurious cardboard box encased within a silvery grey paper box. The heavy box is inlined with grey felt resembling the shades of steel grey. Once you remove the top cover, you can find the pen nesting inside a grey pen sleeve, placed on a custom made bed. The inside of the lid muses with the following motto customary to Omas:

Italian Creativity,

History,

Craftsmanship.

The Pleasure of Writing.

Once you flip open the velvety separator, you would notice that there are two beds for two of your pens. Underneath rest the manuals and warranty card for this pen in a separate section.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KtUuS-0Y-wg/VeblYyOvHKI/AAAAAAAAFZE/79L3CKGNrVA/s1600/box2.jpg

 

DESIGN - THE SONG OF DARK & EMERALD (6/6)

 

It’s the Game of Thrones playing in my mind or these colours of liquid green and dark ruthenium play a beautiful symphony of light and dark. These pens are made of Omas proprietary Cotton Resin which constitutes of blended cotton seeds and resin polymer derivatives. The cotton resin feels quite substantial and does reflect a luxury in its own terms of rendering hues. The entire pen gleams with emerald tunes, entrapped within hushed darkness of ruthenium giving something that is not very common to this world of art. You can actually visualise the pen as a doric column which separated long ago and fell right into your palms. The clip gleams like an arc quite subservient to an emerald haze.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ragZY5aUAho/Vebk9mVwxeI/AAAAAAAAFXs/iT_R5_AXqHU/s1600/DSC_5849.jpg

The piston knob concludes the structure with a raised dome. The cap feels light and unscrews with a single turn, revealing a dark ruthenium plated nib converging with gleaming shades of its metallic section. It reminds me of my gun-metal frames. The section starts with a dodecagonal structure (12 sides) stepping down for commencement of the efficient threads before tapering down to a comfortable grip section, before ending with a raised loop. These are the times when soulful geometry transforms into art. I did not find the grip uncomfortable or slippery and I hold the pen 0.4 - 0.5 cm above the nib.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HtVo0taFm3k/VeblKWrDUyI/AAAAAAAAFYY/SlThMQlpxdc/s1600/DSC_5863.jpg

Now in case you are wondering about palladium, rhodium and ruthenium icing, along with some silver cake, here goes a picture. The other one (m625) has a silver section, coated with palladium along with a rhodium coated nib.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8ykeiq8Kqy8/VeblGlyDApI/AAAAAAAAFX8/BeNvKoeSwGk/s1600/DSC_5869.jpg

The clip acquires the shape of a convex arc before ending with a tender concavity. It has the OMAS classic roller disc (since the 1930s) which slips and secures the pen in your pocket. The finial has a dome like the piston knob and its polygonal planes define triangular precision finally being betrothed to the famous OMAS O dazzling subtly in dark ruthenium. You can see the distinct outlines of the cap insert. The centre band is engraved with OMAS and ITALY at either ends, interlocked with an architectural pattern known as the Greek key or Meandros.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Fln51t2uEzg/VeblZS_bRtI/AAAAAAAAFZM/UtGH4GfPblE/s1600/cap.jpg

 

FILLING SYSTEM (5/6)

 

The piston filling system has a sturdy but small knob and is embellished with what seems to be a single loop. The knob requires three turns for the piston to move to its end stop which reveals the loop to be a part of the piston connector. The piston is smooth and efficiently draws ink from the bottle.

 

The piston end does go down inside the metallic grip section of the pen while filling ink, which provides the additional ink capacity compared to the similar cartridge/converter model of the Milord models. The barrel along with the grip provides a decent ink capacity of 1.2-1.4 mL

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZcK9uDBWbk8/VeblJ7_r6II/AAAAAAAAFYQ/F5WehzFwoxY/s1600/DSC_5920.jpg

 

NIB - ALL THAT MATTERS (5/6)

 

The nib comes rhodiated or rutheniated in 14k (Extra Flessible ones) or 18k alloys across four stock widths - EF (14k, Extra-Flessible), F (14k, Extra-Flessible), F & M and seven special widths - BB, OM, OMD, OBD, OBBD, Stub & Italic (untipped).

This has a 18k semi-flex and comparatively responsive nib with the usual shaded geometries of the Milord/Paragon series. The size M is mentioned on the wings of the nib while the gold content is mentioned towards the tail. The content resides within an elongated hexagon. It’s kind of hard to describe the parallel hatching and geometrical patterns on the nib and you can see it for yourself. It has got some thick inclined hatching around the breather hole with OMAS branding residing in between the symmetry of it, and thinner lines of straight hatch and plains keep recurring as you move towards either of the tines. The nib is a darling to write with.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OYydDE20yew/VeblJjtJEEI/AAAAAAAAFYI/ETlXcPzKJKg/s1600/DSC_5936.jpg

The heat set black ebonite feed has thinly spaced fins and two capillaries which ensure a good ink buffer and an extremely wet ink flow. Ebonite attract water (these are hydrophilic) as opposed to hydrophobic plastics which repel water, thereby wetting it more efficiently under the nib. Having said this, I find my plastic pelikan feeds even more efficient in this regard.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-56Cm-GHTpXM/VeblLJIYzYI/AAAAAAAAFYc/7bIhFrpWbYQ/s1600/DSC_5961.jpg

 

PHYSICS OF IT (6/6) – RELATIVELY SPEAKING

 

For me, this pen is very comfortable for writing without posting the cap. The overall uncapped length is around 13.2 cm, with a decent girth of more than 1 cm. Cap has heft and weighs a third of the total weight. The section is dark and metallic with the signature ruthenium coating although I did not find it slippery as such. The section feels quite substantial along with the cotton resin and I happen to grip the pen around 0.4-0.5 cm away from the nib. Its does feel a delight to write with, simply with the responsive nib. It’s a heavy and long pen to post and you may not prefer posting the Vision.

• Closed Length ~ 14.5 cm
• Posted Length ~ 17.7 cm
• Nib Leverage ~ 2.4 cm
• Overall Weight ~ 33 g (without ink, Cap ~ 11 g)

Capped and uncapped comparisons with a TWSBI 580 and a Pilot Custom 823 go below for your reference.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PAKrd4EbDuY/VeblSHBosxI/AAAAAAAAFYo/cL8P8mDnd5o/s1600/DSC_5972.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jtl9O4qfY74/VeblSKnTcGI/AAAAAAAAFYs/zCzzTTslBEY/s1600/DSC_5992.jpg

 

ECONOMIC VALUE (3/6)

 

The Visions retail at USD 495 and I am not sure if it’s a good or bad price since I do not usually find Omas pens selling at great discounts. I had a got a good, I will say steep discount from my longtime local distributor/reseller on this one. Since I have a lot of blue demos with rhodium trims, I rather went ahead with this song of dark and emerald. After the steep discount, the pen again could not make sure of value for money, but let’s not judge a piece of Art by monetary values alone!

 

OVERALL (5/6)

 

These 18k nibs are extremely smooth, somewhat flexible with a very wet flow. A little pressure increases the ink flow and results in thicker lines. The horizontal lines are a tad thinner than the verticals. I am not allured by flex, partly because of my bad handwriting, but I can assure these are delightfully soft and springy nibs, the best perhaps for a long long time. Being extremely wet writers out of the box, the Medium nib puts a line which takes around 30 seconds to dry GvFC Moss Green ink on MD Paper. Go for it, if you love this pen, substantial, differentiated & limited (331) with a befitting nib!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GblHlov2XAc/VeblUPJPe6I/AAAAAAAAFY0/Qp6MI6AlW7I/s1600/DSC_5998.jpg

 

OTHER DEMONSTRATOR REVIEWS

 

Pilot Custom 823

Pelikan m605

Pelikan m625

Pilot Custom Heritage 92

TWSBI 580

 

REFERENCES

 

Omas Art Vision

Manufacturing Process Steps

Factory Visit

Greek key

 

Thank you for going through the review.

You can find some more pen and paraphernalia reviews here.

Edited September 3, 2015 by soniknitr

[pgd84]

Another amazingly well put together review Sonik! One side effect of your reviews is that my 'to buy' list keep growing fatter by the day...

[hari317]

Thanks for the review Sonik. I have a small number of Omas but none with a metallic section, glad to hear that it is non slippery. Feed design is also different from my pens, maybe a recent change?

 

Best

Hari

[s_t_e_v_e]

Thanks for another nice review!

 

Like Hari pointed out, the feed seems to be a newer design. The feed on my Omas is similar to Indian ebonite feeds. It has a flat base and the fins are along the sides.

Also the newer c/c filled standard edition of the Milord comes with a plastic feed and a slightly different nib. Check out this review at 2:40mins.

[Azura]

Another amazingly well put together review Sonik! One side effect of your reviews is that my 'to buy' list keep growing fatter by the day...

Yes Yes Yes, I repeated three times for something important...(:

[mehandiratta]

 

OMAS as you already know is a 90 year old Italian manufacturer of fine writing instruments and related luxury goods. Founded in 1925, it does carry the name of its founder, Armando Simoni. OMAS as it is, stands for Officina Meccanica Armando Simoni, which means workshop for machinery And initially from 1919 - 1925 this workshop had been producing parts and safety mechanisms for pens.. OMAS had launched its first fountain pen in 1927 and had also copied Duofolds for a while. The turning point for the company came in 1932 with the Omas Extra, a faceted celluloid pen. Today, OMAS is no longer a 100% Italian company as it was earlier, after international acquisitions, first with the French LVMH stake in 2000 and then a 90% controlling equity investment of the Hong Kong based luxury conglomerate Xinyu Hengdeli Group in 2007.

 

As for the Arte Italiana Collection, the twelve faceted or dodecagonal pens were first launched in 1930s and they never got out of fashion over all these years. In Italy its called Faccettata, which is also representative of Greek Doric Columns. The Vision along with Milord and a larger Paragon belong to the same collection. They are still assembled in Omas boutique job shop one after the other, manually. The Vision comes in two distinct designs - Liquid Blue & Liquid Green limited to 331 pieces per colour. However these pieces are not individually numbered like the Ogiva Vintage runs. Liquid Blue comes trimmed with bright rhodium decor while Liquid Green is trimmed with dark ruthenium decor. The colours are inspired from watercolour shades.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwB2R_oPcX4/Vebk2XYHZdI/AAAAAAAAFXc/1dU-X7ggqak/s1600/1Designs.jpg

 

 

Also is a link to this review on my blog with more eye-candy

 

Omas Art Vision Review

 

 

PRESENTATION

 

The Art Vision comes in a luxurious cardboard box encased within a silvery grey paper box. The heavy box is inlined with grey felt resembling the shades of steel grey. Once you remove the top cover, you can find the pen nesting inside a grey pen sleeve, placed on a custom made bed. The inside of the lid muses with the following motto customary to Omas:

 

Italian Creativity,

History,

Craftsmanship.

The Pleasure of Writing.

Once you flip open the velvety separator, you would notice that there are two beds for two of your pens. Underneath rest the manuals and warranty card for this pen in a separate section.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KtUuS-0Y-wg/VeblYyOvHKI/AAAAAAAAFZE/79L3CKGNrVA/s1600/box2.jpg

 

DESIGN - THE SONG OF DARK & EMERALD (6/6)

 

Its the Game of Thrones playing in my mind or these colours of liquid green and dark ruthenium play a beautiful symphony of light and dark. These pens are made of Omas proprietary Cotton Resin which constitutes of blended cotton seeds and resin polymer derivatives. The cotton resin feels quite substantial and does reflect a luxury in its own terms of rendering hues. The entire pen gleams with emerald tunes, entrapped within hushed darkness of ruthenium giving something that is not very common to this world of art. You can actually visualise the pen as a doric column which separated long ago and fell right into your palms. The clip gleams like an arc quite subservient to an emerald haze.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ragZY5aUAho/Vebk9mVwxeI/AAAAAAAAFXs/iT_R5_AXqHU/s1600/DSC_5849.jpg

The piston knob concludes the structure with a raised dome. The cap feels light and unscrews with a single turn, revealing a dark ruthenium plated nib converging with gleaming shades of its metallic section. It reminds me of my gun-metal frames. The section starts with a dodecagonal structure (12 sides) stepping down for commencement of the efficient threads before tapering down to a comfortable grip section, before ending with a raised loop. These are the times when soulful geometry transforms into art. I did not find the grip uncomfortable or slippery and I hold the pen 0.4 - 0.5 cm above the nib.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HtVo0taFm3k/VeblKWrDUyI/AAAAAAAAFYY/SlThMQlpxdc/s1600/DSC_5863.jpg

Now in case you are wondering about palladium, rhodium and ruthenium icing, along with some silver cake, here goes a picture. The other one (m625) has a silver section, coated with palladium along with a rhodium coated nib.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8ykeiq8Kqy8/VeblGlyDApI/AAAAAAAAFX8/BeNvKoeSwGk/s1600/DSC_5869.jpg

The clip acquires the shape of a convex arc before ending with a tender concavity. It has the OMAS classic roller disc (since the 1930s) which slips and secures the pen in your pocket. The finial has a dome like the piston knob and its polygonal planes define triangular precision finally being betrothed to the famous OMAS O dazzling subtly in dark ruthenium. You can see the distinct outlines of the cap insert. The centre band is engraved with OMAS and ITALY at either ends, interlocked with an architectural pattern known as the Greek key or Meandros.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Fln51t2uEzg/VeblZS_bRtI/AAAAAAAAFZM/UtGH4GfPblE/s1600/cap.jpg

 

FILLING SYSTEM (5/6)

 

The piston filling system has a sturdy but small knob and is embellished with what seems to be a single loop. The knob requires three turns for the piston to move to its end stop which reveals the loop to be a part of the piston connector. The piston is smooth and efficiently draws ink from the bottle.

 

The piston end does go down inside the metallic grip section of the pen while filling ink, which provides the additional ink capacity compared to the similar cartridge/converter model of the Milord models. The barrel along with the grip provides a decent ink capacity of 1.2-1.4 mL

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZcK9uDBWbk8/VeblJ7_r6II/AAAAAAAAFYQ/F5WehzFwoxY/s1600/DSC_5920.jpg

 

NIB - ALL THAT MATTERS (5/6)

 

The nib comes rhodiated or rutheniated in 14k (Extra Flessible ones) or 18k alloys across four stock widths - EF (14k, Extra-Flessible), F (14k, Extra-Flessible), F & M and seven special widths - BB, OM, OMD, OBD, OBBD, Stub & Italic (untipped).

This has a 18k semi-flex and comparatively responsive nib with the usual shaded geometries of the Milord/Paragon series. The size M is mentioned on the wings of the nib while the gold content is mentioned towards the tail. The content resides within an elongated hexagon. Its kind of hard to describe the parallel hatching and geometrical patterns on the nib and you can see it for yourself. It has got some thick inclined hatching around the breather hole with OMAS branding residing in between the symmetry of it, and thinner lines of straight hatch and plains keep recurring as you move towards either of the tines. The nib is a darling to write with.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OYydDE20yew/VeblJjtJEEI/AAAAAAAAFYI/ETlXcPzKJKg/s1600/DSC_5936.jpg

The heat set black ebonite feed has thinly spaced fins and two capillaries which ensure a good ink buffer and an extremely wet ink flow. Ebonite attract water (these are hydrophilic) as opposed to hydrophobic plastics which repel water, thereby wetting it more efficiently under the nib. Having said this, I find my plastic pelikan feeds even more efficient in this regard.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-56Cm-GHTpXM/VeblLJIYzYI/AAAAAAAAFYc/7bIhFrpWbYQ/s1600/DSC_5961.jpg

 

PHYSICS OF IT (6/6) RELATIVELY SPEAKING

 

For me, this pen is very comfortable for writing without posting the cap. The overall uncapped length is around 13.2 cm, with a decent girth of more than 1 cm. Cap has heft and weighs a third of the total weight. The section is dark and metallic with the signature ruthenium coating although I did not find it slippery as such. The section feels quite substantial along with the cotton resin and I happen to grip the pen around 0.4-0.5 cm away from the nib. Its does feel a delight to write with, simply with the responsive nib. Its a heavy and long pen to post and you may not prefer posting the Vision.

• Closed Length ~ 14.5 cm
• Posted Length ~ 17.7 cm
• Nib Leverage ~ 2.4 cm
• Overall Weight ~ 33 g (without ink, Cap ~ 11 g)

Capped and uncapped comparisons with a TWSBI 580 and a Pilot Custom 823 go below for your reference.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PAKrd4EbDuY/VeblSHBosxI/AAAAAAAAFYo/cL8P8mDnd5o/s1600/DSC_5972.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jtl9O4qfY74/VeblSKnTcGI/AAAAAAAAFYs/zCzzTTslBEY/s1600/DSC_5992.jpg

 

ECONOMIC VALUE (3/6)

 

The Visions retail at USD 495 and I am not sure if its a good or bad price since I do not usually find Omas pens selling at great discounts. I had a got a good, I will say steep discount from my longtime local distributor/reseller on this one. Since I have a lot of blue demos with rhodium trims, I rather went ahead with this song of dark and emerald. After the steep discount, the pen again could not make sure of value for money, but lets not judge a piece of Art by monetary values alone!

 

OVERALL (5/6)

 

These 18k nibs are extremely smooth, somewhat flexible with a very wet flow. A little pressure increases the ink flow and results in thicker lines. The horizontal lines are a tad thinner than the verticals. I am not allured by flex, partly because of my bad handwriting, but I can assure these are delightfully soft and springy nibs, the best perhaps for a long long time. Being extremely wet writers out of the box, the Medium nib puts a line which takes around 30 seconds to dry GvFC Moss Green ink on MD Paper. Go for it, if you love this pen, substantial, differentiated & limited (331) with a befitting nib!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GblHlov2XAc/VeblUPJPe6I/AAAAAAAAFY0/Qp6MI6AlW7I/s1600/DSC_5998.jpg

 

OTHER DEMONSTRATOR REVIEWS

 

Pilot Custom 823

Pelikan m605

Pelikan m625

Pilot CH92

TWSBI 580

 

REFERENCES

 

Omas Art Vision

Manufacturing Process Steps

Factory Visit

Greek key

 

Thank you for going through the review.

You can find some more pen and paraphernalia reviews here.

Thank you for amazing review of this expensive pen... Value for money... Naach... These are beauties... Not definitely value for money

[soniknitr]

Another amazingly well put together review Sonik! One side effect of your reviews is that my 'to buy' list keep growing fatter by the day...

 

Thank you so much Pradeep for this comment

[soniknitr]

Thanks for the review Sonik. I have a small number of Omas but none with a metallic section, glad to hear that it is non slippery. Feed design is also different from my pens, maybe a recent change?

 

Best

Hari

 

Thanks Hari. Honestly I do not have any idea on this, having seen only recent Omas feeds.

 

Thanks for another nice review!

 

Like Hari pointed out, the feed seems to be a newer design. The feed on my Omas is similar to Indian ebonite feeds. It has a flat base and the fins are along the sides.

Also the newer c/c filled standard edition of the Milord comes with a plastic feed and a slightly different nib. Check out this review at 2:40mins.

 

Thanks Steve. I had also come across a few posts quoting dissatisfaction with plastic feeds in the C/C Milords.

 

Best,

Sonik

Edited September 3, 2015 by soniknitr

[soniknitr]

Yes Yes Yes, I repeated three times for something important...(:

 

Thank you Azura :D

[soniknitr]

Thank you for amazing review of this expensive pen... Value for money... Naach... These are beauties... Not definitely value for money

 

Thanks Vaibhav. You are quite right

[pankaj]

Sonik : As usual, awesome photography : great full body MRI review ! Thank you.

 

Down the memory lane, I was a staunch loyalist of Omas, till I defected to MB. I don't think Conversion is blasphemy in Pen religion

 

Well, I too line up with others : your nib has a different make up. May be better, I'm not into that. Simply it looks different.

 

Is it becuz you got it at a hefty discount ???

[hari317]

Down the memory lane, I was a staunch loyalist of Omas, till I defected to MB. I don't think Conversion is blasphemy in Pen religion

of course not. seasonal religion.

[soniknitr]

 

Is it becuz you got it at a hefty discount ???

 

Partly, yes. Btw, I did not feel that light even after the discount

Partly because I did liked the green + ruthenium finish, looked different like you have said.

[soniknitr]

of course not. seasonal religion.

 

Will go with this

[maverink]

nice reiview of another gorgeous omas pen now i am going green with envy as no more green pens are available with the seller in india ;(

love the Fc moss green ink

how does the pen compare to the 823/3776 on balance weight etc..a bit of functionality over form as i may say.

[soniknitr]

nice reiview of another gorgeous omas pen now i am going green with envy as no more green pens are available with the seller in india ;(

love the Fc moss green ink

how does the pen compare to the 823/3776 on balance weight etc..a bit of functionality over form as i may say.

 

Oh is it? They had 2 more liq. green left and 5 liq. blues. The moss green gives a nice shade esp with wet pens and dries pretty quickly. I am liking it and it's properties are kind of comparable to Pilot BB Ink-70 with a denser shade.

Feel 823 gives a heavier experience than Vision with ink inside and Vision is a little more balanced than 823 even with the bottom heavy metallic section. You will enjoy these nibs . 3776 was a bit light.

Thanks Ravi

 

Regards,

Sonik

[CTKelly]

soniknitr,

 

I apologize, but I am actually trying to contact Soniknitr and am unsure of how to do this directly. I read the review of the Omas Art Vision fountain pen and wanted to get an understanding of the rating scale. I was hoping that he (you) had reviewed an Aurora Optima fountain pen so I could compare the 5/6 nib rating with the Optima's nib rating. I don't see any Aurora reviews so... Soniknitr, what do you think of the Omas Art Vision in comparison to the Aurora Optima, the Pilot Vanishing Points, or the Lamy 2000?

 

Thank you,

Chris

[vipkat82]

I would like this pen if it weren't for the metal section

[Jamerelbe]

soniknitr,

 

I apologize, but I am actually trying to contact Soniknitr and am unsure of how to do this directly. I read the review of the Omas Art Vision fountain pen and wanted to get an understanding of the rating scale. I was hoping that he (you) had reviewed an Aurora Optima fountain pen so I could compare the 5/6 nib rating with the Optima's nib rating. I don't see any Aurora reviews so... Soniknitr, what do you think of the Omas Art Vision in comparison to the Aurora Optima, the Pilot Vanishing Points, or the Lamy 2000?

 

Thank you,

Chris

 

Chris, you could try the contact form on sonkntr's website, http://iwonder-thecartographer.blogspot.com.au/

[Sagarb]

Another excellent review and with your great style of execution..amazing. Thanks very much..