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Anyone else suffered this? Not on the nib itself, obviously, but when I was flushing my new M1000 last week I unscrewed the nib and found rust on the collar ....

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I have seen some discoloration on older collars but never what I would call rust. I'm not sure what the metal the collars are made of but I didn't think they were iron containing (a requirement for rust to form).

 

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You're not alone bbs. I had a case there were pitting left on the collar after I removed dried up ink cakes. But I wouldn't worry. The metal ring is only there to preventive plastic splitting from tension; small cosmetic corrosion won't have any effect. Just clean it your best. Cheers.

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There's no way of knowing what ink the previous owner used, but from the residue it was something blue blackish from the early nineties.

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  • 5 years later...

By the power of the Thread Necromancer!

 

So, filled my M1k with water since it'd been unused for a while, and after a good soak emptied it and unscrewed the nib unit to find--RUST! Not just a little discoloration, full on red rust over about half the surface of the collar and infiltrating the back end of the feed.

 

WTH, Pelikan?

 

I'd also soaked my M450 for a similar amount of time, and nothing was amiss there. Just its big brother.

 

Oh, and ETA: I bought the M1k new sometime in the early '00s and never used iron gall ink in it.

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I have never seen such a thing, either (and I do occasionally use iron gall inks in my M100x pens).

 

Can you post a photo of the damage?

 

It would really help the discussion, or at least form a good departure point from which to start speculating...

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I have never seen such a thing, either (and I do occasionally use iron gall inks in my M100x pens).

 

Can you post a photo of the damage?

 

It would really help the discussion, or at least form a good departure point from which to start speculating...

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And there wasn't a part of me that didn't want to say goodbye.

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I have never seen such a thing, either (and I do occasionally use iron gall inks in my M100x pens).

 

Can you post a photo of the damage?

 

It would really help the discussion, or at least form a good departure point from which to start speculating...

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Wow. That is some impressive corrosion. I have never seen anything close to that in my pens/nibs.

 

I am also quite surprised. I would have guessed those collars are stainless steel, but if they are just coated carbon steel, then yea, I can see this happening sometimes, and I join you in your WTH? moment...

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I suppose a bit of scrubbing with a mild acid (say, vinegar) followed by a good rinsing and thorough drying would clean that up, but even if the pitting on the ring is not bad after cleaning, there is still the problem of exposed steel that can rust again.

 

This is beyond my experience. I need to go pull an M1000 nib unit an look at it more closely. Now I am quite interested to figure out what is going on with the nib unit in the picture.

 

Anyone else with some experience here? (Wild speculations also welcome, but I cant be responsible for flaming responses to them...😀)

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good grief... I think Pelikan needs to see that soon.

Did you contact them?

Whatever the conditions that may have caused that, the mere fact it can happen is concerning and should especially concern Pelikan...

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even if the pitting on the ring is not bad after cleaning, there is still the problem of exposed steel that can rust again.

Exactly. I'm sure I could clean it up, it just wouldn't stop it from rusting again and eventually disintegrating.

 

if the ring is coated carbon steel then a magnet should attract it

Depending on the chromium content (if I'm recalling correctly), stainless steels can attract magnets too.

 

good grief... I think Pelikan needs to see that soon.

Did you contact them?

Whatever the conditions that may have caused that, the mere fact it can happen is concerning and should especially concern Pelikan...

I first wanted to find out more about the differences in properties between the two-chick nibs of my pen's era and current offerings so I could be prepared if it came to a choice between fixing my current nib or exchanging for a new one. But yes, I did finally send the pic to Chartpak and am still awaiting a response.

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And there wasn't a part of me that didn't want to say goodbye.

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Exactly. I'm sure I could clean it up, it just wouldn't stop it from rusting again and eventually disintegrating.

 

Depending on the chromium content (if I'm recalling correctly), stainless steels can attract magnets too.

 

I first wanted to find out more about the differences in properties between the two-chick nibs of my pen's era and current offerings so I could be prepared if it came to a choice between fixing my current nib or exchanging for a new one. But yes, I did finally send the pic to Chartpak and am still awaiting a response.

 

I just inspected 2 of my M1005 nibs, and I see no evidence of corrosion on either of them. I will check the M1000 nib next time I travel back to Valley Forge.

 

Ferritic (400-series) stainless steels are magnetic, and they sometimes have desirable formability properties. In this application, I would expect the cheapest corrosion-resistant alloy available that works would be used.

 

It will be interesting to hear what Chartpak has to say. Please keep us informed. My oldest nib in the M100x size dates only to 2012, but it is corrosion-free.

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Seems to be a perfect example of how Stainless steel can corrode given the right conditions...

 

Crevice corrosion and non uniform pitting.

 

It should clean up nicely and no rust would have entered the ink path anyway. A light coat of silicone grease on the collar might be future insurance and would avoid the gamble involved in obtaining a replacement nib unit.

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  • 6 months later...

I have an M1005 Stresseman with this same issue, only less severe. I bought mine brand new about six months ago. It has been inked continuously with Edelstein Olivine. I decided to do a color change today so I gave it a thorough cleaning including removing the nib. It appeared that mine had rust leeching out from under that stainless metal collar where it meets the black threads. I cleaned it off with Q-tips soaked with Koh-I-Noor Rapido-eze followed by my home brewed ammonia/distilled water/dish soap nib soak.

 

Now I wish I had left it as-is and sent it back to Pelikan. If it recurs, I may try sending it in. I would hate to have them replace the nib itself though because it is the very best nib I have ever used.

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Even after cleaning the worst of the surface rust away followed by an overnight soak in my ammonia-based flush, the rust is still visible just at the lower edge of the steel collar. Mine appears to be rusting from the inside out. I would bet that after a few years of use, mine will look just like the images posted by pearlfox. 
 

I refilled it just now with Edelstein Topaz and will re-inspect it in a few weeks. If the visible rust returns, I’ll be sending mine back to Pelikan.

 

Pearlfox, what did you learn from Chartpak about this problem?

 

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OH! That is some horrible corrosion!!!

And my pen falls in that range of years.

 

As soon as my black 1005 OBB is empty, I'll look for this problem, I had of course never known of. (Being rather noobie with the 1000..... and will have to check all my 'silvery' pens a 605 and some 200's.)

Thanks to Paulo I know mine is a special edition 2013 pen.

 

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How do you know that this is actually <rust>?  I mean, could it not simply be an ink <stain>?  I should be surprised if Pelikan used plain steel and not stainless...(but then what do I know?)

 

Apologies!  Please ignore my remarks: the page loaded near bottom and I did not see the mostpart before weighing in!  Silly me (but I have just been into mine and smeared just a dab more silicone lubricant on the collar)

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