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Perhaps someone mentioned it before, but Sailor Jentle Oku-Yama has very close doppelgängers in the threefoldness of Diamine's dark red inks - Oxblood, Red Dragon and Syrah. I cannot quite pinpoint which ink is the closest, that changes depending on the pen and paper I'm using, but I'd say that Oxblood is perhaps the least similar out of all three because of its lack of sheen. Oku-Yama is kind of in-between Oxblood and Syrah, so it would make sense to call Red Dragon closest, but even that one still lacks the deep red and violet hues that Oxblood and Syrah, respectively, have too much of. Looking at my swabs on Tomoe River, Syrah actually comes closest in both colour and sheen (and the colour of the sheen), but in writing it's too violet. It would make sense to mix the Diamines to get the perfect colour match for Oku-Yama, and then maybe let it evaporate a bit to get more sheen out of the new mixture.

 

 

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Doppelgängers: Diamine Communication Breakdown vs KWZ Ink Red #1

Unless you look for the sheen of the Diamine at an angle, the two are indistinguishable.

(Tomoe River)

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It's the golden sheen that tells them apart.

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(Midori: The lines are drawn with the two inks alternately.)

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Doppelgängers: Diamine Communication Breakdown vs KWZ Ink Red #1

Unless you look for the sheen of the Diamine at an angle, the two are indistinguishable.

(Tomoe River)

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It's the golden sheen that tells them apart.

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(Midori: The lines are drawn with the two inks alternately.)

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Wow! I've been eyeing both, so you just saved me some €!

Which one would you prefer in terms of flow and lubrication (and other properties) if you could only keep one?

 

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Wow! I've been eyeing both, so you just saved me some €!

Which one would you prefer in terms of flow and lubrication (and other properties) if you could only keep one?

 

Dominique

 

Definitely the KWZI (I mentioned it in my individual reviews).

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I love to look at red inks, but not usually flowing out of my own pens... :D

Your doodle is lovely. It inspires me to pick up whole-page doodling again... so thanks for that, too!

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I love to look at red inks, but not usually flowing out of my own pens... :D

Your doodle is lovely. It inspires me to pick up whole-page doodling again... so thanks for that, too!

I find that even if you suck at drawing things (like me), full page doodles always look impressive!

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This is Monteverde red velvet with a 1.5 mm italic nib. I am thankful that Migo referenced it as a doppelganger for Montblanc red chalk.

 

 

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Please excuse me in advance for what may be an idiotic question, but what's the best way to put ink on the sample cards? Not the name, but the swatch. I know people don't just pour it out! I see so many lovely sample cards and even have a number of Robert Oster blanks one, but I'm not sure the correct way to use them. :unsure:

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Karma, in my post 455, the only red ink displayed is Monteverde red velvet. I don't own red chalk, unfortunately.

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Please excuse me in advance for what may be an idiotic question, but what's the best way to put ink on the sample cards? Not the name, but the swatch. I know people don't just pour it out! I see so many lovely sample cards and even have a number of Robert Oster blanks one, but I'm not sure the correct way to use them. :unsure:

 

Some method differs but mostly use a cotton swab for the swatches.

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I also doodle a swatch so that I can see what it looks like in my pen. Others do spashes, and the easiest way to do that is from a syringe.

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The closest I have found to Levenger Pomegranate is our friend Blackstone Red Cashmere

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Sailor probably have several of the (basically same) red inks. Here's Irori (top) and Kobe #20 Motomachi Rouge (bottom):

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I agree with you and would also add Taccia Aka red, if only because the Taccia is $12 for a 40ml bottle. It's quite a reasonable substitute to the above. I have tested Aka against Irori, and cannot note a meaningful difference in swab, writing, or in the amount of sheen.

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In the course of doing my review of Standardgraph Elder Blue, I realised it was very, very similar to the Waterman Purple I also had. 

The pens are a little different – the J Herbin is a touch finer, and doesn't have the "roundedness" feeling of the Vector. 

To my eyes, the Waterman is a half-shade darker and a teensy bit less red, but honestly I struggle to tell the difference in real life and on my scanner, even this extremely subtle difference isn't apparent.

 

What is very clear is how much difference the paper makes to dry-time smear tests. Both these inks dry very well on absorbent paper like a copier paper. But I pulled out my decades-old box of Basildon Bond letter-writing paper and the dry times were much longer and the spread much less (I used the back of the paper so you didn't have to look at the overbearing border and crown – there's a reason it's taken me decades to use what was a Christmas gift from a relative, I think.

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