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Rohrer And Klingner Sepia Warning?



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Here I read this:

 

You can mix different inks together to create new tones or shades. The color Sepia should be used exclusively for blending, if this is used immediately. Consequently, the fountain pen (provided one is used) must be cleaned right after use.

Can someone confirm that Sepia can harm your pen?

In the french version I get different meaning of the above phrase.

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the french text is pretty clear. it says that you can mix colors freely with one exception. if you use sepia in a mix, you should use the resulting mix immediately, then clean the pen. sepia alone (unmixed) is fine.

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I think all that means is that if you mix Rohrer and Klinger inks and use sepia, that it will not keep and to clean the pen after use (I.e. don't store the pen with the mixed ink in it). The sepia is safe to use on its own.

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I think what they mean is that, if you mix Sepia with one of their other inks, you should do this immediately before using it, and then clean the pen out afterwards. I don't think that it's a warning about Sepia all by itself.

 

As a native English speaker, the phrase "The color Sepia should be used exclusively for blending" makes sense gramatically, but implies that their Sepia ink should not be used unless it is mixed with another ink -- and that meaning doesn't really make sense. An ink ought to be usable as an ink. R&K is a German company, though, so it's likely that whoever translated this is not a native English speaker, so it would be reasonably likely that they would make a mistake in the translation -- a lot more likely than an ink company making an ink that can't be used normally.

 

I put the phrase in google translate, and the first part in Italian translates like this: "The sepia color tone should, however, be used for mixtures only if they are used immediately".

 

If you can understand the French version well enough, I'd go by that, since it's unlikely that the same translation mistake would be made in 2 different languages.

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My feeling was also that is something wrong in the translations as English and French are not saying the same thing. I was expecting the English to be the better one. I imagine that the German version should be the clearest, but unfortunately I can't understand it.

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the french text is pretty clear. it says that you can mix colors freely with one exception. if you use sepia in a mix, you should use the resulting mix immediately, then clean the pen. sepia alone (unmixed) is fine.

The Italian says the same.
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Chiming in as a French and German teacher and translator, both the DE and FR text say what the others above have already: caution is warranted when used in mixtures, hence the recommended immediate cleaning after use.

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Native German here, above posters are correct in their interpretations. All R+K inks can be mixed freely with no worries, only Sepia and one other ( forgot which) are to be handled with care _if_ used in a mix. They are perfectly fine on their own. Just clean the pen well before chasing with another ink.

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I've had a gorgeous mix of 3 parts R&K Sepia, 1 part Diamine Grey & 1 part Noodlers Black constantly flowing through my Visconti Homo Sapiens EF since January.

 

The pen and ink combo has never missed a beat or misbehaved.

 

I've given this recipe out a few times with R&K's warning but have never heard from anyone having issues with it. I certainly haven't.

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thanks for sharing this. i have a R&K sepia that i plan to mix with other R&K inks. i shall try to do the mix in small batches first, instead of all in one go that i initially have planned on doing.

-rudy-

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Hello Eduardp,

 

I think it means you should use Waterman Absolute Brown instead. :rolleyes:

 

Best regards,

 

Chris

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I found the English translation of the warning confusing as well (exactly what ancalagon said). I've used it for quite a while now and I can say that it is one of my favorite ink colors, never had a need to mix it with anything else...it's just sooo..subtle, mysterious, invoking bygone ages! It cleans very fast out of any pen (even a Snorkel), and it water resistant to a somewhat degree...great one from R&K!

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