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I bought indigotine in 2 USD for 10 g. Price of gold!

Judging by the fact that you really don't need a lot of it for the recipe, that really isn't bad. Where did you get it?

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I bought indigotine in 2 USD for 10 g. Price of gold!

 

I guess it's a little cheaper at Kremer, then. It's about $1.49 per gram there when you factor in shipping costs.

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I got it in a Bakery Store. They sell like indigotine (E132) or brilliant blue FCF (E133). By the way, I have a theory... azo dyes (most of food colourants) can be used in inks, because they are sulfonated, so they don't react with the other compounds of the ink. Pgary test a lot of food colourants... and guess what? all of them was azo dyes. I didn't have time in this week for do my tests, but I bought 5 colourants. By the way, I put some drops of waterman havana in my iron gall ink (the US Gov.) and when it dry, it looks like R&K Alt Bordeaux. Gorgeous.

«To the meaningless French idealisms: Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, we oppose the three German realities: Infantry, Cavalry, and Artillery».

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I was thinking than Pharmacist is using the no-tannic acid recipe to do his inks with fancy colours, and Urkundentinte under the german normative with US Gov. recipe. what do you think, Fiberdrunk?

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I mean, the pgary recipe.

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I was thinking than Pharmacist is using the no-tannic acid recipe to do his inks with fancy colours, and Urkundentinte under the german normative with US Gov. recipe. what do you think, Fiberdrunk?

 

Yes, pgary's YouTube videos only show gallic acid, iron sulfate II and distilled water with the food coloring dyes.

 

 

 

The more archival inks, like pharmacist's Urkundentinte have both the gallic and tannic acid in them. But pharmacist's other colored inks do not have tannic acid in them, from what I remember. When you use both tannic and gallic acid, it's very hard to find compatible dyes that won't precipitate out. The choices for dyes are very limited. Pharmacist did say that his colored iron gall inks are less archival than the Urkundentinte one, so I suspect that means only gallic acid.

Find my homemade ink recipes on my Flickr page here.

 

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I got it in a Bakery Store. They sell like indigotine (E132) or brilliant blue FCF (E133). By the way, I have a theory... azo dyes (most of food colourants) can be used in inks, because they are sulfonated, so they don't react with the other compounds of the ink. Pgary test a lot of food colourants... and guess what? all of them was azo dyes. I didn't have time in this week for do my tests, but I bought 5 colourants. By the way, I put some drops of waterman havana in my iron gall ink (the US Gov.) and when it dry, it looks like R&K Alt Bordeaux. Gorgeous.

 

Oooh, I hope you'll post a scan of the ink! I'm hunting around, looking for these dyes.

Find my homemade ink recipes on my Flickr page here.

 

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I hope than you like it. Tomorrow I will test it with water, alcohol, acetone and peroxide (H2O2). I think than you can use food colours (azo dyes) in tannic acid-inks...

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http://i58.tinypic.com/2dj8fw9.jpg

 

Wow, this is just gorgeous! Great shading, too! Thank you for the link. I'll take a look.

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I hope than you like it. Tomorrow I will test it with water, alcohol, acetone and peroxide (H2O2). I think than you can use food colours (azo dyes) in tannic acid-inks...

 

Iron ions slowly cleavage azo bonds in solutions, those reactions are to slow to be used on industrial grade with exception of few cases, but rate of cleavage is significant in terms of ink shelf life, they are also going to react with and precipatate with some other types of dyes containing unprotected amine or amide groups :P

I have a lot of tape - and I won't hesitate to use it!

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do you know about dyes than i can use and will not precipitate? thank you

 

Iron ions slowly cleavage azo bonds in solutions, those reactions are to slow to be used on industrial grade with exception of few cases, but rate of cleavage is significant in terms of ink shelf life, they are also going to react with and precipatate with some other types of dyes containing unprotected amine or amide groups :P

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Just found out that you can buy aniline dyes for a not-too-hefty price from Amazon (no affiliation). Although I've not bought any, this one looks promising:

 

Link to aniline dye

 

And it comes in reds and other colours too. (again, so affiliation with the product or the website. It's just something I found whilst trawling the internet.)

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Just found out that you can buy aniline dyes for a not-too-hefty price from Amazon (no affiliation). Although I've not bought any, this one looks promising:

 

Link to aniline dye

 

And it comes in reds and other colours too. (again, so affiliation with the product or the website. It's just something I found whilst trawling the internet.)

 

 

 

Hey lad, over here! p.92

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Hey lad, over here! p.92

 

This, sir, is an absolute gem! Thanks for posting this. I'll try these ratios out with a small batch of ink and post the results (when they're done fermenting, which takes far too long for a trial run!)

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Check another books from Scribd. There are a lot of "recipes" books of chemistry, maybe iron gall inks.

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Thanks, Husar! That book is a great find! :thumbup:

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"I don't wait for inspiration; inspiration waits for me." --Akiane Kramarik

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Don't forget Forty Centuries of Ink by David Cavalho

 

You can find it on Project Gutenberg - Click below

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